I saw the highlights during the Wizards v. Metros game the scuffle between Ricardo Clark and Nick Garcia. Clark is on the ground and Garcia comes running in and kicks (apparently very hard) right into the groin region of Clark. Clark clearly didn't like this and still from the ground, punched Garcia in his gonads. After the ensuing scuffle, the referee only yellow cards both players. Anybody else see that? It puzzles me how they both didn't get sent off. Garcia, you could argue he was attempting to play the ball and draw the dangerous play on Clark who was trying to corral the ball with his legs. But it looked pretty clear to me where he was aiming with his kick. Clark, no question -- closed fist punch. Should have been straight red. I have to say that I hope the disciplinary committee steps in a fines / suspends them both.
Both Garcia and Clark needed to be sent off. They were both competely out of control. Secondly, I didn't appreciate that Michael Kennedy swallowed his whistle for the last 15 minutes of the second half it contributed directly to this fiasco.
I agree. One simple question is did he make contact with garcia gonads or miss .. Because if you look at the whole situation Garcia did not react like a guy hit in the Gonads... Not sure what the league will do
Whether he didn't strike the opponent or not is not really relevant. "Strikes or attempts to strike and opponent". His attempt to strike should have sealed his fate. I think he hit him in the upper groin or maybe his thigh.
Re: Re: Wizards v. Metros -- Cards but no where in the laws of the game states that that is a automatic redcard.. DFK yes...but not Red card... Garcia sort of sealed his fate on that one since he Duped the AR in another game. KC vs LA agree should have been violent conduct but think about it
Re: Re: Re: Wizards v. Metros -- Cards It would seem to me that the act of striking an opponent is violent conduct. How it could be misconstrued otherwise is beyond my intellect.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wizards v. Metros -- Cards The effort and effect would also play a part. A hard shove, flat of the hand push versus a balled fist struck to the head I see red on the fist the first two maybe not? What about a retalitory strike after a BRUTAL tackle where it is a pain gesture of FU you SOB in a slap away? I know where you are coming from Alberta some things are what they are and need the red , others? Well very little is absolute. Beckams minor leg flick in WC against Argentina? retailitory red was given but certainly a caution in my book.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wizards v. Metros -- Cards . Beckams minor leg flick in WC against Argentina? retailitory red was given but certainly a caution in my book. [/B][/QUOTE] agrees in that case. I mean it is almost like what happened to Wolneyac (spelling) he get fined and suspended for what he does to Chad Mccarthy and nothing happens to Chad. Granted it is not correct what he did but Chad gets nothing
This exact incident is referred to in the MLS Referees' Conference call notes for this week: http://www.ussoccer-data.com/Action...-response=gentop2.htm&-recordID=32895&-search Sounds like USSF & MLS are just happy that both received the same penalty, and not one send off and one caution (eg, Beckham and Simeone, 1998). I didn't see the match, but did the two cautions work? Perhaps of more interest from the notes are points 1 and 3, dealing with the McCarty/Wolyniec incident and Mathis's dissent. USSF is saying McCarty was wrong to get away with only a caution, and that Wolyniec's retaliation (which went unseen) stems directly from it. Further, it is strongly implied that Mathis--star or not--should have been sent off for a second caution for dissent right after picking up his first yellow for dissent.
Alberto, Perhaps I'm missing something. Admitedly, I didn't see the match, so I'm not trying to comment on the actual altercation. If I had seen it, I'm sure there's a very good possibility that I would have also seen it as a double send-off situation. However, it seems pretty clear that USSF and MLS were happy with the double caution and that they would have been 'equally' happy with a double send off. In other words, in their eyes, Kennedy was correct so long as he didn't create an unfair balance by punishing one player (the instigator or the retaliator) worse than the other. What I'm asking is: in the opinion of people that saw the match, did the double caution work? Did Kennedy get something for the two yellow cards or were Clark and Garcia out of control even after the fact? It seems to me that MLS and USSF are saying that this was an 'orange card' situation, and Kennedy did fine with his decision. In other words, they 'could have' been sent off. You and a few others said that they 'needed' to be sent off (clear cut red card). I see that as a pretty big difference in opinion.
I said that I couldn't believe they didn't get sent off, but it was just from viewing the altercation itself, isolated, on the highlights show. I didn't see the game, so I can't say if they had further problems or not after that. It just seemed unusual to see one player take a flying kick at another and the 2nd retaliate with a closed fist punch in the general area of the gonads and not see either one sent off.
I don't think the double caution really worked because of the comments I made in an earlier post. Kennedy swallowed his whistle over the last 15 minutes to the detriment of the match. That whole situation could have been avoided.
I had a question/comment on one of the other boards but never got a good answer. Maybe you guys could help. I'm pretty sure that one of the UK leagues (scotland?) has a video policy where if the foul was called on the field, then the video commision can not impose additional punishment. So if someone (lets say a Mr CM) gets called for a foul, even a horrible one, but the ref deems it only a foul or a caution, then the video review people cannot over-rule the ref, or tack on extra punishment. On the other hand, if there is a straight red, or something the ref does not see (lets say a Mr JW), then the video watchers can add what they deem appropriate (possibly even taking back the red, say for mistaken identity). Is that the same with MLS?
We saw this happen just a couple weeks ago where the discipline committee reviewed Wolyniak's elbowing of Chad McCarty (which was missed and unpunished by the referee) and deemed it worthy of a 2 game suspension. But I wouldn't say it's quite so formal as you mention above. They also suspended Kovalenko for 1 game even though the referees clearly had to have seen it but chose not to call anything. I suppose you could say that since they didn't call anything, they didn't see it, but unlike the Wolyniak elbowing, it happened on the ball and also 3-5 yards in front of the AR.