With Steve Mariucci no longer with the San Francisco 49ers…

Bring back Daryll .. Wilson sucks.

 

Daryl Sutter went to Calgary.

Ron Wilson has taken a team (Capitals) to the Stanley Cup Final... this is a lost season, but give him a full season to turn things around...

As for Mariucci, who cares about him? He never won a Super Bowl and probably never will, and since this is a soccer thread, any mention of him is null and void...

And that quarterback of his who wears #5 for his now former team sucks, at least until he wins the big game...

and Yallop's job is safe at least for this upcoming season...

 

ice hockey is totally uncalled for. Stuff it.

 

Would Bob Ladouceur have to take a pay cut to leave DLS?

Goodsport, I thought the same thing, but looking at it from a different angle, while we are in a time of transistion, some Bay Area franchises are relatively stable.

A's: Only Three managers since 1986, counting Macha.
Giants: When did Roger Craig get hired? it was a while back.
Niners: Three head coaches in 20 years (Walsh-Seifert-Mooch)

Yes, some franchises aren't quite so stable, Warriors, Raiders before Gruden/Callahan, Quakes before Yallop.
Tony

 

Sutter sucked, too, at least this season. We need Don Cherry.

(BTW, I think your .sig line should read "ceased"...?)

After this season, I'd expect Wilson will get together with Lombardi (if both are still employed at that point), and cut away a lot of dead wood, either by trading or releasing guys. Lots of fans on the Sharks boards want Nolan gone now, if not sooner.

Hmmm...a soccer thread titled "With Steve Mariucci no longer with the San Francisco 49ers..."

Wrong. Garcia shreds. Typical Niner fan attitude, though, and a big reason why Mariucci is gone. Just being good isn't good enough. Around here, you ain't **** until you win the Super Bowl.

I think the only legitimate reason for canning Mooch was his sub .300 record against other teams with winning records. During his tenure here, he got fat off of beating all the bad teams.

1985, replacing Jim Davenport.

Before Craig, the G's went through a hilarious amount of managers. When I went to my first game in '71, Charlie Fox was manager. Between then and when Mr. Humm Baby took over in '85, they also went through: Wes Westrum, Joe Altobelli, Dave Bristol, Frank Robinson, Danny Ozark, and Davenport.

 

No no no. We haven't won the SoccerBowl.

 

Too bad I can't run into you guys at the Brit, it would make for some fun talk...

We can send Nolan back to Colorado, who in turn can deal Scott Gomez (rumored to be dealt by New Jersey) to Florida, and then they can trade Sandis Ozolinsh back to the Sharks. Then, maybe it was a good thing I didn't renew for this year for the Fish...

Wilson is more of a lax cach than a disciplinarian.

I'm not keen on Garcia until he wins the big one--he has some big shoes to fill in the guise of Montana and Young...

Of course, you do remember Tito Fuentes eh?

Yallop is more of the hands off coach (re: Wilson) but so as long as the team is winning his job is safe...

As for the 49ers (read: Montreal Canadiens, New York Yankees, Manchester United) winning is the only thing...

Way to make the Earthquakes popular, try to make Joe American or the Casual Sports Fan that soccer isn't about Manchester United. There's a decent team in their backyard and it's worth their while to see them and one of the players who was on that same stage as those players on that Man U team.

 

You're probably onto something. But the Niners rule the Bay Area (I probably should have written "around here you aren't **** unless you're the Niners and you win it all.")

The A's (4), Quakes (1) and Warriors (1) even won titles and continued to have attendance problems. And the Raiders, who won two Super Bowls in their previous Oakland incarnation, still had attendance problems with their great team this year until the bandwagon got rolling. Sharks attendance is finally starting to dwindle, too, since they haven't won anything and totally suck this year.

Speaking of which, time to leave for hockey. Oh, boy.

 

Maybe I should renew again and this time with a better seat (I'll tell you in person and offline the whole deal why I'm not at the Tank this season...)...

It's all about the novelty factor. The bandwagon and casual fans will sing when they're winning and stay away when they lose... I would have been around at the Tank for at least this season, but again, that's for offline...

When the 49ers had their down years in 1999 and 2000 some season ticket holders decided not come back. I'm thinking with the Raiders (or any team including the Quakes) when you're winning people will come and when you're losing they will stay away (re: San Jose Clash/Quakes from 1997-2000)

Maybe if there are empty seats at the Tank you can move up to the glass and maybe put up the Quakes placards so we can see it on Fox Bay Area. Much like the John 3:16 guy except it says Quakes 3:16 or something! We need to try to make those games exciting.

Cheers!

 

Friday's SF Chronicle had a writer stating that with Mooch being gone, the coach with the longest tenure in bay area "pro sports" is Bill Callahan. Nice eh?

 

With Steve Mariucci no longer with the San Francisco 49ers

The sportswriters have their heads up their gazoonies as usual.

 

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Are you sure it wasn't the SJ Mercury? Ann Killion had an article stating the same thing. Very embarrasing because she writes about soccer for the big events (I.e. Men and Women World Cup, Olympics, etc.), so she is not totally clueless.

 

With Steve Mariucci no longer with the San Francisco 49ers

Not totally. Only partially.

 

All I can say is THANK GOD MOOCH IS GONE! How is it possible to be such a bad coach? He was watching the games right. I mean he was standing there, so I figured he was watching them but I guess not. Hey I have an idea lets NOT run the ball to the right side on second and long ever time. It dosen't work when you do it every down 2nd. & just to tip them off it dosen't work on 3rd down and long either.

Another thing we have the best player in football in Owens, it seams to me that we might want to draw up a play using him. Call it crazy, but it might be a good idea.

The next person that need to desperatly leave is Mora. He is the worst defensive coordinator in the league. How is it possible to not realize that it could be adventagious in football to blitz every once in awhile. Ever game it was the same thing. If we play anyone even remotly good (even teams that aren't any good)they pass the ball all over us, then every week about half way through the 4th quarter he realizes that maybe we shou,ld bitz and then our defence starts to do someting.

Lastly, we need a new quarterback. I don't care how good Garcia's numbers are. He can't throw the ball over 15 yards w/ any accuracy. He's a spaz. And that damn jump pass, it works sometimes but he jumps into more sacks instead of getting away from them. We need new DT's - Stuubs and Young have to go. The reason our secondary sucks so much is we get no pass rush. When they alow Drew Breese to throw for over 300 yard something is wrong. Which can be blamed that Young and Stubby suck now and the afore-mentioned idiot Mora.

Why has our special teams sucked since before I was born, why is that so hard for them. and why did they not draft Pittsburgh's Antwan Randel El (spelling???) Way to pick Rumph guys???

 

Didn't she write "major Bay Area sports"? Usually, when they exclude the Quakes/Rays/SaberCats (and sometimes even the Sharks), they use the distinction "major." Of course, what pisses me off about that is they consider the aforementioned four teams "minor" but often consider the Bay Area's pathetic college football teams "major."

You were born after '96? The Special Teams the last time SF won the Super Bowl were really good.

Niners drafted Rumph because their secondary was the worst part of the team. Rumph was one of the three highest rated cornerbacks in the draft, and of the three he was biggest and strongest (in his senior season at then-national champ Miami, he only allowed five catches all year, no TDs). The Niners were tired of having 5'9" corners get torched by receivers over 6'2". Everyone should get off Rumph's ass. He'll be a good player when he gets used to the NFL. It's hard for defensive players to become major contributors as rookies because they have to adjust to a much higher level of skill and talent. (The Raiders didn't have any better luck with Rumph's former college teammate and fellow rookie Phillip Buchanon. He got torched often, then was hurt most of the year. But he'll be good in time, too.)

We didn't need Randle El at the time of the draft. Would he have fit in this year, especially after Jimmy Williams (who was doing a great job as returner) went down? Absolutely. But I doubt the Niners even considered drafting him last year. We were already deep at WR and had no interest in using him at QB.

I'll wait a while to condemn Rumph.

 

1st off the last time the 49ers won a Super Bowl was '94, not '96. Secondly our special teams weren't that great either year.

In '94 we had Dexter Carter was 15th best in the NFl in yard per punt return, Klause Wilmsmeyer who was 14 the in the NFL in yard per punt and Doug O'Brien only making 75% of his field goals + he missed 2 extra points. If I remember correctly Carter lead the team in fumbles that year (I think is was something like 1 fumble in every 20 return attempts) and was released at the end of the season. Is that the good Special Teams you're talking about. A little more like the Special Olympic.

'96 was a little bit better as we had Jeff Wilkins kicking, who did a good job, but Fumbles Carter was back dropping the ball on returns again and Tommy Thompson was our punter. Remember him? Nobody else does either. That was Carter's last year in the NFL as no one would sign him. In over 5,000 kickoff returns he only had 2 returns for TD's.

IMO we haven't had a good kick returner since John Taylor and besides Wilkins we haven't had a good kicker since Wersching and even he wasn't that great, just clutch. Are you aware that this year we had our 1st blocked field goal in 15 years and it's been longer since we blocked a punts. Our Special Teams has been consistently crap for a long time.

On to Rumph. I agree we had a lot of injuries in defense & that DB is the hardest position to make the transition to from college and it would be fine w/ me if he got burnt by Marvin Harrisson, Keyshawn Johnson, or David Boston. But it's not them. He's getting abused by players that aren't that good like Scottie Montgomery(DEN), Frank Sanders(ARI), Tim Dwight(SD), James Thrash(PHI), Donald Driver(GB), and Daryl Jackson(SEA). These guys aren't great (w/ the exception of Thrash and Driver). And it's not that making great plays. They fake one way, Rumph bites every time and falls all over himself, then they catch the ball.

A perfect example is when we played SD. At the end of the game and the 49ers leading, our defense stopped them to a 4th a long. Breese dumped off a pass to Dwight who was about 5 yards short of the line of scrimmage and Rumph right there to make the tackle. Rumph blew it, Dwight tossed him to the ground, ran for the 1st and we ended up losing. How many times can that guys get juked and most of the time he doesn't even hustle to get back in the play, He just stands there, or actually kneels there, because he fell trying to cover someone. How is it possible for a starting DB to to only have 6 pass deflections/knock-downs in an entire season? I'll tell you... because the receiver already ran by him, caught the ball and scored. I agree that the real test will be next year to see if he can apply the lesson he was taught, but you can't disagree that he was horrible this year. Hopefully he will comeback and improve, if not he's gotta go. Maybe he would work better as a safety.

What do you mean we couldn't use him Randel El, I would have taken him over Holman. Are you really saying that JJ Stokes really deserves to be a #2 receiver. If you do you are one of the few. And who does that leave us w/ Streets and Wilson? Streets is at best a #3 (he can fill in at #2 OK, but not consistantly) and Wilson is a #4.

We defiantly need a #2 receiver because Garcia is apparently scared to throw to Owens either that or Mooch just would call a play to him. And about Jimmy Williams he came into training camp an undrafted free agent who nobody knew anything about. So are you saying that instead of drafting a guy who can play WR, QB and return kicks (all very well I might add) we should play someone we knew nothing about at the time. At least Jamal Robertson they knew about from their NFL Europe. And if we weren't interested in a QB why did we draft one in Brandon Doman from BYU?

I'm not trying to be an ass or be argumentative it's just that I'm a big fan that sees a lot of problems in the organization (and I was born in '78). It bothers me that I, as well as others, can see these things so plainly yet they can't. I am praying they don't hire Mora as head coach and wonder why he's still here. So that's it, I'm just point out facts and calling it the way I see it.

 

D'oh. Typo, meant '95, which was the year the game was played (for '94 season, so you're right).

Better than now...the field position we often gave up on special teams this year was ridiculous.

Gary Anderson is the only "good" kicker we've had since Wersching, and even he didn't have that swell of a year (29-36 on FG, 2 blocked). And he was only here one year due to cap considerations. I think we're just fated never to have that Morten Andersen kind of guy.

TV only seems to show it when DBs get torched, not when they do their job and jam a receiver out of a play. Which happens on most plays, but is boring to show on TV. Rumph was raw and often played badly as a rookie, but I think that overall the defense was surprising in some games (yet non-existent in others, especially when we played anyone who was actually good).

Rumph played a different position for much of this year than he played in college. When Miami went to a nickel, he usually stayed outside. (And Miami seems to prefer covering out of a 4-3 instead of a nickel, anyway, which means an outside LB usually picks up the slot receiver.) On the Niners, Rumph was often a nickel back covering a slot receiver, although Mora didn't always put him there if there was a major height discrepancy outside. I agree he was susceptible when starting at an outside CB position. I also agree his performance needs to improve, and we'll see what shakes out. We'll see how mediocrity motivates him after years of dominating his opponents at lower levels. I get the impression he came into the NFL smugly thinking his dominance would continue, and it didn't. Oops. Will he get over it? Every DB gets torched, sometimes by nobody receivers (witness Drew Bennett totally burning Charles Woodson last week), but good ones shake it off and focus on what's next, not what just happened.

I'm trying to think of the last 49er defensive backs who were good as rookies, and, frankly, the best names I can come up with are Ronnie Lott and Carlton Williamson (and I'll never forget that year, because it was my senior year in HS).

It's easy to say in retrospect that we should've drafted Randle El. But who knew he'd emerge as a receiving/returning threat so soon? He was a colege QB and no one -- not even the team that took him -- wanted him as a QB. For every Randle-El that winds up succeeding in the NFL, there are several ex-college QBs who can't make the jump to a new position. The Niners picked the QB they did, way lower in the draft for way less money, to fill a slot that needed to be filled because they had no faith in Giovanni Carmazzi ever developing.

Streets emerged as the #2 receiver, IMHO, or at least is emerging. If he continues to improve, he'll be a twin threat and help take some heat off Owens. His stock definitely went up this year. Stokes is at best a #3 guy who only seems to get used for possession receptions. Heck, why not just bulk him up and make him a TE?

Owens is almost always at least double-covered, and the reason you see Garcia on the run a lot is because plays that feature Owens break down when all the receivers are covered. I totally agree with you about the play-calling. I think that on any pass play called in which T.O. is not the primary receiver, he should be Garcia's first checkoff receiver if the primary is covered. Apparently, Niner schemes rotate these and Owens sometimes wasn't even Garcia's second or third look. Owens had a problem with this (see ESPN:The Magazine cover story) and rightly, IMHO, brought it up. And he'll likely keep bringing it up until something changes.

But this is another area where the media manipulated people's perception of what was actually happening. They'd show replays of Owens wide open on plays where Garcia scrambled and/or made a bad pass to someone else. But they'd almost never show replays of all the times Owens was completely blanketed and rendered useless to plays, unless Jeff tried to force a pass into that coverage anyway. If you go to games and watch T.O. constantly instead of what TV shows, you'll be amazed at the coverage he draws. And sometimes it's worse overall for the team when T.O. does make a catch in double or triple coverage, because it justifies his grandiose idea that every pass play should be to him.

You're entitled to your opinion, it's just not the only one. I went to my first game at Kezar as a toddler, and grew up watching some really wretched Niner teams, so I guess I don't freak out when our team just finished a pretty good year. I think some people expect the world every year, and that's myopic. It's also why a lot of other sports aficionados make fun of lots of Niner fans. It's been either win or whine since the '80s.

ROFLMFAO. The sports fan's lament. As you'll see on this board (welcome, BTW), there's a lot of that going around with Quakes fans right now...

Agreed about Mora.

All this brings me to a question: Frankly, what did you expect from the Niners this season? Going into this year, we knew Mariucci couldn't beat a good team to save his ass. We knew we were expecting a lot from a mostly young defense. We knew JJ Stokes isn't a #2 guy. We knew Cortez was shaky at best. We knew our bench depth was very limited. We knew our ground game was weaker than any other "good" team's.

Hell, before the season, I figured I'd be happy with this team going 8-8 and getting some valuable experience. Then Winborn got hurt, and I thought the Niners would be even worse. All of a sudden the Rams tank, we're in first, and everyone around here is expecting the second coming of the '84 Niners. It was a fluke SF won the West division this year. We got extremely lucky to get to the second round of the playoffs, although lots of Niner fans I know all of a sudden started to have little dreams of San Diego dancing in their heads. And the Bucs game was the expected result.

Let's just get a good new coach in soon, let him hire good coordinators and coaches, and improve on the solid foundation that the team is building.

And at least the Niners beat those [strike]East Bay bitches[/strike] Raiders...!

One more thing, since you're new to BigSoccer, check out the Other Sports board. It's where most of this off-topic sports stuff gets discussed, like the NHL, NBA, NFL, MLB, boxing, etc.

 

1. Thank you for the welcome

2. I'm super busy so I don't have time to answer in as much detail, but if I did that I might end up going on forever. Special Teams: It's not like I expected them to be good or anything, as they never have been, but it just seams like they were expecially bad this year. In all facets. How is it possible to waste a 4th round pick on Chandler then keep Cotez around. Cortez looked like he didn't even want to be out there, most of the time he looked like he was going to crap himself.

It harderd for me then for you because you saw them as mediocre then become great and then become mediocre again. I went to almost every home game from about 84 to 90 w/ my parents so I grew up being used to winning. I know, I know the NFL is totally different now, but it's hard for me to deal with.

What did I expect. About what I got, but w/ the Giants loosing the WS and the Rams stinking it up after the 1st 5 games I was hoping we really did have a shot. It just kills me so much because it's not like they got beat by their opponents every week, they beat themselves. Not the players, but the coaching.

I am no football guru by any means, but I feel like I hace a fairly good understanding of it and can read a game fairly well and when I can see these thing I have to wonder about our management (besides our coaches)? How do they not see it? York is killing this team. And where is the Bill Walsh magic? Not to beat it into the ground but Mariucci had no idea what he is doing, and neither does Mora. How does York not see that about Mora?

Rumph: I know I'm hard on him and I realize that if he did make a good play it usually wasn't seen, but when it came down to it and the other team needed a 1st down they threw at him and they usually got it. It was tough for him going staright to DB and think that he wouldv'e done much better if we could have continued to use him just as a nickleback but w/ all the injuries to the defense that's the way it goes. And I think your definatly right that his college stats got to his head. All we can do is pray he learns. I'll admit I wasn't in the best of moods yesterday so I probably sounded like I was coming on a little harsh.

Ownes was doubled up a lot, but if there is any player in the NFL that's gonna make a play it's him. I find a lot of fault in Garcia as he has great numbers, but he panics to much. He can't sit in a pocket and has a tendency to spaz out to much. His inability to throw the ball downfield is another thing. How much would I love to trade him for Plummer, but it's never gonna happen. And I just don't see anyone on the team really taking Garcia seriously either as a leader. And not to get into a forbidden topic because I could care less about his sexualy orientation, but please Jeff stop flying rainbow kites during interviews for the pregame show. Did you see that? How is anyone going to strike fear into a defence when he's prancing around flying a rainbow kite in interviews?

hahahaha. Wine in cheese in the parking lot before the game baby.

AMEN TO THAT! I was kind suprised they didn't do it already to try to take some attention away from the Raiders.

And since your obviously a big sports fan. Have you noticed how announcer crap all over bay area teams? Joe Buck can go buck himself. I am so tired of listening to him Aikman, McCarver, Jimmy Johnson, Bradshaw, Glanville and the rest of thoes Fox duches. Glanville I understand as we beat him about 45-3, twice a year for a decade, so get why he hates us, but I get so tired of it. After the Giants beat StL. to win the NLCS, instead of talking about them I had to watch a 5 min retrospective about the Cardinals, they just lost why are they showing this? I just bothers me.

Thanks but I tend to only talk soccer online I just responded to this because I saw it. I don't have a lot of friends that I can to about soccer so I do it on the web. I hate the NBA & Football and Baseball are easy to find people to conversate with and that is how I prefer to communicate. I am usually busy anyway as I am a Site Admin for www.acmilan-online.com and I spend a lot of time playing www.hattrick.org. If you've never seen hattrick you should check it out. It's pretty fun and instead of your resulst being based on realy players it is all made up. I have a lot of fun with it.

Any thought on our next coach? Best wishes.

 

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"Gazoonies" is a cool word. I can't wait until American soccer fans are as numerous as football fans. By the way, I'm not really an MLS fan, but I'd like to be... Could somebody PM me with why I should be a Quakes fan? Isn't San Jose where Grimandi's going?

Vive le AFC!

OPArsenal

 

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Nope, Grimandi's going to Colorado.

Parlour's coming to San Jose.

Up the Gunners!