Winning Eleven 8. It's been discussed ad nauseum. Fifa hasn't been anything more than passable since RtWC 98. Some tinkering or investing in a maxdrive/xport gets you all the correct names and teams. True, Fifa has more of them, but so does World Tour Soccer. Gameplay is the difference and Winning Eleven wins that battle every time.
i havent played fifa 05 but i noticed a lot of problems in winning eleven. the goalies seem to let slow balls just roll in alot and they just watch, when you do a threw ball the defenders seem to get out the was, and you can get ran over a lot and its now a foul.
i have played all editions of fifa since fifa 98, and all winning eleven since WE3 on the psone. there is no comparison in gameplay, WE has been much better all this while, in fact i've seen more and more elements of WE being stolen by EA in their games. just go back to fifa 98 and you will see how the new 2005 edition has elements of WE in it. WE used to lose out in graphics, but now the ps2 editions are catching up very fast. the only thing fifa has are full licences, but if you want a serious football experience, that doesnt even matter. of course, if you want a multiplayer WE, theres always PES for the pc, i guess...
WE9 will have online gameplay for the PS2... Ouch yet another blow to any last hopes that Fifa may have at holding on to anything plausible in the game anymore. Its an annoying bug, but it doesn't distract from the overall gameplay. Compared to Fifa, the problems here are microscopic. I agree, that EA have nicked elements of FIfa, which leads me to the assumption that they haven't any good dieas, so they steal off the 'better' alternative - thus meaning they know they are making a second-rate game. If I was honest, I now prefer the graphics on WE8 than I do on Fifa. I think the players faces look much more realistic. The licenses don't matter, but the patching community for the PC is huge and La Liga and Serie A are fully licensed any way. The best part of PES / WE is the little touches that make the game complete. Players arguing when they don't get a FK when fouled, players touching their arm, when there is a hand-ball shout, celebrating an 'offside' goal, balls taking deflections of players, outrageous goals that highlight teamplay, midfielders and even *hark* defenders scoring from open play, new FK methods. Oh yet better believe that PES is the real football sim. Fifa is more like the way they want football to be, not how we see it.
there was already a poll on this awhile ago. dont remember which one won, but it really doesnt matter--w11/pes is so far ahead of fifa in terms of gameplay and most importantly realistic physics its not even a contest. put it this way... fifa is made for graphics hores who dont know/care about how footie is played in reality. w11/pes is for true fans who will not sacrifice realism for looks.
I love Winning Eleven and think it's a million times better than FIFA, but the one thing I hate about Winning Eleven are the free kicks. I think the guage method on FIFA was much easier to score on a free kick. In Winning Eleven you have to curl with the joystick, then adjust the height with the black and white buttons, it's just a pain in the ass. I would rather have the guage method in WE. But overall, Winning Eleven is amazing. FIFA is just so horrible...The only thing they did good was include Second Division sides. But Winning Eleven should look into that...
I posted this in the WTS thread as well but it also applies here.... I have not seen how good or bad Fifa 2005 is this, but in all honesty I rented WE8 and didn't like it much either. I feel the Winning Eleven Franchise actually took a step down this year in terms of accurately portraying the skill differences of the teams on the pitch. I was wondering why when using USA, Germany didn't seem to be anymore difficult to beat than Costa Rica. Then I did a little research and determined there IS NO large skill difference between any of the teams in the actual gameplay. Don't believe me? Watch a cpu match between Brazil and a bad team on the hardest difficulty setting.....it is almost always a close game and the possession is 50/50. To me, a game where all the teams have essentially the same skill level isn't fun. The team ratings say one thing, the play on the pitch says something else - namely that all the teams on the pitch play with close to identical skill.
you should look into the user-made patches available for download. soccergaming.com has tons of them, the most popular being "wolfevolution" patches which has all the correct team/names/ and very accurate player ratings converted from the championship manager/football manager series. playing with this patch there is a noticible difference between big and small teams, and when you buy a better player you can really see the improvments to your team. the point is that w11 has a realistic physics engine in place, and the player ratings are easily tweakable. with fifa, no amount of tweaking can make that sloppy phycis engine act realistic.
I understand, but I'm something of a hardcore WE8 player, so I take the free-kick system with a pinch of salt, because I've to a certain extent mastered it. You've really got to practice. The guage method in Fifa is a joke as it rewards luck rather than skill. To pull off a good FK in WE8, you've got to learn how to do it properly, when to add curl etc, and how to set the power just right - this comes with just sheer practice. For me, I would imagine its hard for a newb to pull off but its second nature for a old-timer like me. That's whats so good about he game, in that it rewards skill and not luck - you have earned the right to score grat goals. When you do score one though, jesus. You just want to watch the replay over and over again. And you think, I did that - I scored it, not the computer. I scored one a few days ago, with El-Hadji Diouf.
why cant thye make a realistic gameplay with alot of competive matches and we are where 2005 and still cant make a greta classic video game leave it to ubisoft to make it they dont well with the splinter cell franichse. and if you ask me fifa 2005 is more entertaining to play and winning eleven is only good for one thing there replay downloads and the practice mode is awesome. some players that ive been playing with and are winning alot of games for my team is mirslav klose and ballack - cannavaro- nesta- cronaldo-reyes and duff.
Is these sad few that allow Fifa the money to still buy the licenses for a sh**t game. People who think WE8 is rubbish, are the very same people who get bored and frustrated when they realise that the microwave is broke and they will have to prepare and make a dinner. Effort........ They reek of lack of effort. ffs, play it for a month, nothing else - if you still believe that Fifa is superior in gameplay then please take the copy of Winning Eleven give it to an honest football and gaming fan and destroy your games console or PC. Trust me, save us all the trouble. Winning Eleven sh***ts all over Fifa. If you care to eleborate on where it is better, then i will happily go in depth with you and explain. For me, the number of teams - that's it, that's how it beats Fifa. Big wow. I don't buy a ticket for a movie that lasts six hours, I do it when I know I'm getting quality for my money - not quantity. Oh hang on, I just have to alter my formation to my exact specifications, whilst fine-tuning my attack with player runs, on WE. And then maybe, I'll try the counter when I do score. Oh, and you? Yep, thought so. No tactical immersion in Fifa at all - the game's a joke, produced for people who can't be arsed learning to deal with a new game and the total aspects of football. Its a generic product to a wideworld commercial audience of varying degrees of gaming experiences (i.e - read - in for the amount dollars and not for the quality of the final product) Fifa is a just a money making machine that doesn't give a fvck about its consumer. Pro Evo gives football fans a real experience. Nearly everyone would agree.