williams + allocation is too much for vaca

NY has to give up cap space, even with their allocation they can't sign anyone with no room under the cap. I don't think Bradley is convinced that Williams is what the Metros need for the price they are paying him. Plus if Earnie Stewart is coming and demanding to go to Dallas MLS will make sure it happens.

 

I see it the other way around. I don't believe Williams + allocation is enough to give up Vaca. If Dallas used the allocation and got Stewart, Williams wouldn't see much playing time if any.

 

Keep in mind that the interest is for Metro to get Vaca since Bradley said he was interested, not for Dallas to let him go. Dallas is very high on Vaca, so it will take a lot to give him up. But as any team should, they will look into just about all possibilities.

 

How much do you think AW makes? I'm a Dallas fan and am trying to figure out how any of these proposed trades would fit under our salary cap.

 

I don't think Dallas is interested in having too many players in the latter stages of their career. Plus we already have Steve Morrow as our aging center half.

To give up a player like Vaca, I think you would have to get some potential in return.

And just because I dated your girlfriend, does not make me a cattle rustler! jk.

 

All we want from you guys is our 3 points every time we met. Keep your hands off of Vaca.

 

No, probably not, but I think it would be about 2 or 3 years of solid play before MLS would sell him off.

 

Hey Rob, I'm pretty sure you guys didn't get three points when Clint scored his FIVE goals, or when he ran through our entire defense for the goal of the year, or when Valencia netted the game-winner in overtime, or when Clint scored two to send you guys home and send the Metros to the MLS semifinals.

I'd say using the phrase "3 points every time we meet doesn't sound too accurate." Oh, and Vaca is gone already. He'll be a Metro so deal with it.

 

Andy Williams plus the allocation sounds about right. No Burn fan is going to like the sound of that deal because they are all convinced they should get at least Brad Davis AND the # 2 overall pick for Vaca (seriously, they think that MIGHT be fair). Young center mids are a rare find, unfortunately for dreaming Burn fans, the only thing rarer is young American left footed players. Davis and the #2 are going nowhere, especially not for a player projected to start the season on your bench. In the rumored trade, Williams gives you a guy to spell Pareja and make the occasional start. He also frees up room for Kreis, O'Brien and Martinez to do their stuff. With the allocation, undoubtedly Stewart, you get a guy who knows how to play up front in a clutch situation. Isn't that what the Burn fans have been clamoring for these last few years? Kreis disappears in September. Stewart won't have that problem. He also gives you a much more experienced mentor for Ed Johnson, who probably could use another season off the bench. That trade would give Dallas one of the best striker corps in the league with Kreis, Stewart, EJ and Rhine. The benefit for the Metros is basically getting a better passing center mid than Williams, which would be beneficial for Mathis and Moreno (less dribbling for them= fewer injuries from hacks), while freeing up a little cap space for a discovery player or two. The deal works for both teams, and I wouldn't mind seeing it happen. I would like to see a way to swing Rhine in the deal too though, as the Metros are woefully thin up front after the injury prone starters.

 

Metros still have cap problems because of their negotiations with GK Howard. An allocation would be too much of a burden. So they need the best midfielder for the value AKA Little Joe Cow.

Loyalty to your player aside. Dallas will press for the best deal possible. Stewart plus Williams seems a little short but is close.

 

It all depends on the hands of MLS HQ. If it was up to Dallas, we might say meet our demands or screw off. But being the league orphan, we may just be told what we're getting and that we're going to like it. That being the case, I guess it could be worse than Earnie Stewart and Andy Williams for Vaca.

 

Awesome, get Vaca here now!!! Send them anything, an allocation + both Williams, Balboa and Tab Ramos.

 

All the above comments assume that AW would stay in Dallas after the trade. I can't see Dallas keeping a SI for occasional use off the bench.

If you were Dallas management, wouldn't you be trying to deal AW to a team that needs a center mid, for example Rapids (Although Grimandi would cover this), Revolution, or KC?

Burn fans seem to feel that their team is complete though; I'm not sure what they would expect in return (other than high draft picks or core players.)

 

Tell you what. AW and allocation for Gbandi and Vaca and we trade Balboa for a high draft pick. I'd do this to remake this club and go in a different direction.

 

You need to get a grip on the value of Metro players. Basically, no one wants AW. No one wants Balboa. You could not GIVE either one away, and you're suggesting Metro could get Vaca and Gbandi and a high draft pick when the only cards you hold with any value are the No. 2 pick and the allocation. Please wise up, Metro fans. You are all showing just how you've become accustomed to watching crap over the last seven seasons. Your judgement of players is so out of whack it's not funny.

 

Please drop the "league orphan" bit. Every team tries to bring that into play when they don't think their team will end up on the strong side of a trade. When EVERYBODY was able to predict how the whole DJ Countess/Winston Griffiths thing went down, were you the league orphans? When the league invented a rule so you could give cap room to Chicago in exchange for a 1st round draft pick, were you the league orphan? Bottom line, in MLS every team sometimes gets helped and sometimes gets screwed in these trades. I can list a slew in both directions for every single team.

As for how the trade as it was rumored, how is that not enough? In exchange for a promising player projected to start the year on your bench, you receive a player a few years older at the same position, and a veteran of multiple World Cups with a good 3 or 4 good years left in him. If it wasn't made clear that Stewart would only go to a warm weather team, this deal would screw US, because we would have had 1st crack at Earnie. With all that taken into account, it seems that the trade as it stands is just about even, with tangible benefits to both teams.

 

AW starts for Jamaican National team and allotment maybe for Stewart. AW had a ton of points and plyed great for MetroStars last season. I think we are probably giving up too much and do not see how anyone could see it otherwise. Stewart is a USA Nation team player. So two National team players for some little 5ft 5 inch smurf with talent in Vaca. MetroStars would be stupid to do this deal as such without getting something else back.

 

You're right. The Burn team is complete. We can compete with the best teams in MLS and only need that bit of experience, confidence and luck to take us to the next level.

Vaca is part of this team. Hands off!

Why don't you guys just give your allocations to LA, that way MLS HQ can finagle a way to give you guys Ruiz.

 

To free up some salary place all we need is to release or not sign Marcelo Balboa. Andy Williams is to valuable a player to give up for a flashy but unproven Vaca. Forget about a foreign allocation! do we really need one, look we have a solid backline in Jolley,Akwari,Pope and Zaide. Our midfield of A.Williams, R.Williams, Brad Davis plus a tade or draft is OK and are strikeforce of Mathis & Moreno w/Eskandarian off the bench could be the league's best. Giving up Andy Williams for Vaca staright up is to much, never mind and allocation too!

 

Hey Robviii, not to be rude or anything but isn't there a Burn thread you can pollute with your Dallas propaganda?

But since we have you on here can you explain your "Can compete with the best team's in MLS" line? There are only 10 teams dude. Everyone can compete with everyone. You have to get past the first round of the playoffs(four years ago doesn't count) one of these times to really earn some respect. You also need a good defense, something Dallas doesn't have.

And spare your conspiracy theories about how the league helps everyone but Dallas would you? It's really sad to hear.

To win a title you need veteran leadership, which Earnie Stewart can provide, so take the Vaca deal and be happy. You won't win the title though, that'll go to the Metros.

 

The MetroStars should do whatever it takes to aquire Vaca. This is great news. I can totally understand the Burn fan who commented "Keep your hands off Vaca." I would be saying the same thing if I were him. This, along with the Moreno/Pope deal, proves to me that there is a Santa Claus. What a holiday season this is turning out to be. DO IT!