Will MLS go winless in CONCACAF for 2 decades?

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Will MLS go winless in CONCACAF for 2 decades?

  1. Yes

    73.3%
  2. No

    26.7%
  1. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    While the growth of MLS has clearly improved the quality of the lower tier national teams in CONCACAF, its made it much harder for the club teams as their best players get scooped up, weakening those clubs.
     
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  2. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Does a non Mexican team finally winning it and breaking the stronghold held by Liga Mx. does this raise the prestige @Paul Calixte ?
     
  3. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It raises awareness of the tournament, to be sure, and adds to its lore...

    Let's be clear: Seattle are a blatant outlier in MLS (e.g. never once missing the playoffs). I can count on one hand the other teams here who combine that top-level talent with that much depth, security in goal and reliable young contributors; most of us lose two starters in the 1st half and we're cooked.

    Mind you, it's been true for a while now as well that not just any Liga MX club can win this. There's a Tier 1 (Monterrey, América), Tier 2 (Pachuca, Tigres, Cruz Azul), and then there's everyone else.
     
  4. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Agreed. I thought in years past , Toluca would have won it in the CCL/CWC era.
     
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  5. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The fact that it was 60,000 in CU and 70,000 in Seattle, says this tournament can grow
     
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  6. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    What's still apparent is that only *some* MLS teams really want to win this tournament. Seattle, Real Salt Lake, Toronto, Montreal are certain bets that they want to win. LAFC really looked like they wanted it in their one try. The rest I'm not sure about.
     
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  7. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    I see Leon have already qualified for the next edition. Their CCL performance in particular has been very disappointing for three straight years. Let’s see if they can finally step it up in year four.
     
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  8. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Seattle’s title should create some CCL envy.
     
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  9. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The final will be Leon vs Atlas :D
     
  10. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Their previous CCL appearance wasn't any better: showing up with two straight league titles under their belt, only to get knocked out by Herediano in the group stage and nearly start a brawl in the last game in Costa Rica.
     
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  11. RaveGreen

    RaveGreen Member

    Seattle Sounders FC
    Apr 6, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    What MLS should do to motivate other teams is give the Sounders a big gold star on their shirt below the crest.
     
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  12. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I really don’t think mls teams need much motivation. The simple USA vs Mexico rivalry does translate over and once they start playing, players start talking smack and the mls team does absolutely want to defeat the Mexican opposition in front of them
     
  13. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    I don't get this idea of professional soccer players not wanting to win a continental competition. Sounds to me more like fan made excuses for lackluster performances.
     
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  14. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh no, it was a very real thing at the outset. I distinctly remember DC United's Santino Quaranta publicly sharing his ennui at having to play CCL, right around the time Saprissa was helping them find the exit :D
     
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  15. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    I don't get it either, but yeah it's very real.... There's an odd fixation in the US that winning the domestic league is more important that the international competitions. I guess I can see two potential reasons for it: one, a bit of a cultural knock-on from other big sports in the US where the US league *is* the premier league in the world (which is not the case in soccer), and two, IIRC the earlier years of the CCL weren't that great in terms of prize money, so in a literal sense the domestic championship was worth more (and was more attainable).
     
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  16. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The other part is that MLS teams are absolutely loathe to play other competitions in the middle of their playoff push. Best thing Concacaf did to help the tournament catch on here was (with MLS's input, mind) opt for no more CCL in September and October.
     
  17. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Im glad the group stages are coming back
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ???

    They were in the initial proposal, but the final CCL expansion announcement clarified that there will be no group stage: rather, leagues and regional tournaments (Leagues Cup, a 20-team Central American cup, and a 10-team Caribbean Cup) will feed into the CCL proper. So for MLS teams, Leagues Cup (presumably in July, or up to mid-August at the latest) will be the last international engagement of the calendar year.
     
  19. jared9999

    jared9999 Member+

    Jan 3, 2005
    Naucalpan Estado de Mex
    Club:
    Club América
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    I thought the group stages were coming back, lame
     
  20. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Maybe Concacaf could do a badge like the AFC?

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  21. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Just bring back the Champions Cup branding already! :D
     
  22. edcalvi

    edcalvi Moderator
    Staff Member

    Guatemala
    May 1, 2005
    California
    Comunicaciones has a badge for their CL championship.

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