Why the word Toon?

Discussion in 'Newcastle United' started by Catfish, Mar 13, 2003.

  1. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Why is Newcastle United Magpies related with Toon and the Toon Army? How did Magpies become their mascot? love their crest!!!
    Just curious.
    Thanks,
    Patrick
     
  2. SankaCofie

    SankaCofie Member

    Aug 8, 2000
    Skorgolia
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    because watching newcastle united is kinda pointless, silly, and gets boring after a while, not unlike cartoons.
     
  3. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    May an outsider hazard a guess?

    I'm thinking it might have to do with the way the locals pronounce the name of a nearby river, the Tyne. Close?
     
  4. mackem_ftm

    mackem_ftm New Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    York
    close, its from the way they pronounce 'town'. as in: doon the toon. unfortunately, the term gets very over-used at present, since every tabloid hack seems to feel obliged to use it at least once in every sentence referring to newcastle.

    i was wondering what do the fans themselves make of this? it would annoy the hell out of me for sure if they insisted on calling sunderland 'sunlun' or something accent-related like that.

    as for magpies, i would have thought that's fairly obvious, isn't it?
     
  5. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    You'd have to ask the folks who support Notts County - it was their idea. ;)
     
  6. Toon³

    Toon³ Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    I hate it how every paper and tv channel (especially BBC) attempt to be 'down' with fans and call us the toon or toon army. The fans call Newcastle that and us alone. Call us Newcastle thats are name.
    Another thing is how they only show the Tyne or Millenium bridge there ARE other parts of newcastle. Try Scotswood or Blakelaw.

    Also why does every commentor refer to Man Utd as Utd when there are two Utd's playing? It pisses me off
     
  7. frightwig

    frightwig New Member

    Mar 11, 2002
    St. Paul, Minnesota
    I was guessing that "Magpies" had something to do with the team colors, yes?

    And, forgive my ignorance of local English history, but what is the origin of calling Newcastle the "Geordies"?
     
  8. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    There are two sides to the story of why Newcastle-area folk are called "Geordies."

    ONE
    In the early 18th century, the people of Newcastle supported King George, while most of the surrounding Norhumberland region supported the Scottish rebels.

    TWO
    By the late 18th century, miners (the majority of the populace) were annually paid a golden guinea -- often referred to by Scots as a "geordie" due to it having the likeness of King George.
     
  9. Wide Boy

    Wide Boy New Member

    Aug 23, 2002
    London
    That's two of the reasons that are sometimes given, but there are others:

    THREE

    When George Stephenson the engineer was elected to parliament, his first speech had to be stopped as no-one could understand his Northumberland (Wylam) accent. As a result, he became the archetype of the Londoner's view of north-easterners who, in his honour, were called "Geordies".

    FOUR

    With George Stephenson again, he invented a safety lamp that was used by coal miners in Durham and Northumberland. The use of this lamp distinguished them from miners in other areas, who called them Geordies after the inventor of the lamp.

    I am sure there are many others, but I don't think anyone can say for sure which is correct.

    I think, but don't know, that the explanation from the 1715 Jacobite rebellion is the earliest, so maybe it has the best claim.
     
  10. basso001

    basso001 Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Bay Area, Calif.
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Interesting. This one looks like the front-runner:

    from: http://machaut.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/WEBSTER.sh?WORD=geordie
     
  11. greenie

    greenie New Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Boulder, CO
    It's worth mentioning that the reason the miners' lights were called "geordies" is because the people of Newcastle were already long being called that.

    There are literary references to using the term Geordie for people of the area going back to the late 18th century. I can call them up if people prefer.
     

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