why mls is better than other leagues

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  1. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    So how many other NFL teams does Green Bay compete with in Wisconsin?
     
  2. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    i hope it doesnt go away that would be terrible, and in the usa it ist so called real football its soccer and shouldnt be treated like how it is in europe. the only thing thats decen about the euro way is the promoion thing.

    the youth academys are ok as well, but i still think a draft needs to be in place to make it fair.
     
  3. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    the foreign players should go into the draft like they do in the nba! that would be awesome
     
  4. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    what the hell are you talking about?
     
  5. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Shouldn't the appropriate question be how many football teams does Green Bay comepte with in Wisconsin? The answer to which includes Wisconsin and other colleges as well as plenty of high school football. Considering that their games run in a line of Friday night, Saturday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, it's likely that someone is only going to be able to go to one or two of the three.

    There's even bigger examples elsewhere... Florida has three colleges "bigger" than any of their pro teams, not to mention the second most religion high school football following in the country.

    Not to mention that we have MLB, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, tennis, golf, even soccer... There's plenty of competition for attendnace, fan support, money, merchandise sales.

    As well, there's this concept that American cities actually have things to do... Which is why no team in Miami has any fan support at all.
     
  6. Eliezar

    Eliezar Member+

    Jan 27, 2002
    Houston
    Club:
    12 de Octubre
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Troll on, M.

    65.5K sq miles population 5.3 million

    vs

    30.4K sq miles population 5.1 million


    However, the Jets and Giants play in the same stadium, but there is no significant sense in which they are competing under the NFL's financial structure.

    When did we decided to have this conversation on the short bus?
     
  7. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    If there was but one professional football team in Scotland, you'd have a point.

    And share a catchment population larger than that of Holland.

    The sign of a man bereft of an argument... no surprise there.
     
  8. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    What foreign teams have the same budget as the top NBA teams?

    What foreign hockey leagues have the same budget as the NHL?

    There we go.
     
  9. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Of course, but this has nothing to do with promotion or relegation. English league football has had promotion and relegation for over a century, and yet there have been many underdogs from small 'markets' winning the league. Therefore, promotion and relegation has nothing to do with it.

    The Packers draw fans from all over Wisconsin, population five million, the same as Scotland. The total football crowds in Scotland are over 150k.
     
  10. leg_breaker

    leg_breaker Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Then they wouldn't come. Try telling Beckham that he has to live in Utah or Kansas City...
     
  11. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Shocking; I wonder why that's the case?
     
  12. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Several points completely useless but that jump out at me...

    -some european hockey leagues have made significant advances on the NHL since the NHL's sharp decline. The future will show much more competition.

    -the WNBA is an odd example because it's a woman's sport... but female european basketball leagues actually offer american athletes more money than they would make in the WNBA. The WNBA has a cap and a draft. The top female prospect in the USA turned down a 1 million dollar contract offer from Europe to stay in college and subsequently be drafted into the WNBA in a year or two.
     
  13. rtung

    rtung Member

    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago, IL, USA

    Actually NBA teams do, and if you don't see anything wrong with teams deliberately tanking games, then I dn't know why you follow competitive sports instead of professional wrestling. Hell, why not let players bet against their own team as well.
     
  14. rtung

    rtung Member

    Aug 20, 1999
    Chicago, IL, USA
    If you own a sports club, I'm sure you'd think this way. As a fan, I don't see why you'd like to see your team broken up and players move around like chess pieces all the time.
     
  15. SideshowBob

    SideshowBob Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    Northern VA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, then you agree with me that if/when MLS achieves the same type of status as other US based leagues and is swimming in money, then they'll be able to easily compete in the international market for soccer talent, if not dominate it? And this will have nothing to do with pro/reg or a salary cap or a draft?

    Sounds good.

    Again, just just to recap: if MLS were able to generate sufficient revenue (on par with the "Big 4" US sports leagues), it would have no problems signing primo foreign talent even though the lerague structure is fundamentally different from other leagues. Just like the NBA and NHL have no problems signing primo foreign talent despite being set up differently than most foreign sports leagues.
     
  16. SideshowBob

    SideshowBob Member

    Jan 12, 2007
    Northern VA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a fan, I don't see why you'd like your team to have essentially zero chance of winning their league, now and for the forseeable future, barring a massive overall of the system -- now matter how smart the management is or how wisely they spend their (relatively little) money.

    But to each their own.
     
  17. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "If you own a sports club, I'm sure you'd think this way. As a fan, I don't see why you'd like to see your team broken up and players move around like chess pieces all the time. "

    Players move around all the time in Euro soccer too. A few players can stick on with a team for a while, but in the pro ages (early 20s-late 30s) players jump around every few years. Just take a look at the stat lines for any random 1st division notable, more than likely you'll see 4-6 different stays for 1-3 years at a time. Even the all-time greats like a Ronaldo, Zidane, etc. bounce around from team to team.

    In football you are forced from time to time to break up your team, but not at all in the NBA because the cap allows you to keep your players all you want. Baseball has protection for keeping players for something like their first six years in the MLB. The NFL is pretty much the only sport that forces teams to break up their teams, yet still the local favorites, top players, stay with their teams for extended periods of time, equivalent or better than in Europe. The changing of the supporting pieces from season to season is very similar to that of Europe where any given season the team will change out several starters.
     
  18. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I tried to be short in order to not personally attack you and I will continue that. Kicking someone's ass through a computer screen....Listen kid, I don't mind ideas, lunacy though, is just lunacy. I'd appreciate some grammer but I'm not even going to police.
     
  19. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You post this crap, along most every other pre-teen presented statement. I'm not going to point out every bit of ineptness in some of your ideas in this thread, but be aware that it is there. However, just as a starting point, you state your disagreement with the DP rule. Ok. Why? Because we got Becks?! Logic 101 may be failing me but I'd say that doesn't support your initial arguement in the least. I'm not going to touch the price issue either. I'll just point out that MLS is owned by 'team owners.' AEG is one of them. And how are your sources, do tell. Aren't they the same as everyone else's. Do you have a webpage available only to you with this info?

    And if all else fails there is an ignore button. I don't believe it has ever been used on me but there are some out there who will recommend an ignore list.
     
  20. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's try to be civil folks...
     
  21. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm done. Hopefully. I even added a suggestion and gave him the good cop routine.:D

    And he should learn the rep system. I'll regret pointing this out, but pos rep with a really negative remark is still pos rep to me. Green nips turn me on.
     
  22. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope the NHL looses out to some of those foriegn leagues. But I didn't know womens hoops got that attention proir to graduation or stardom(see...Parker, Candice.)
     
  23. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Candice Parker was the one who got the offer from some European women's basketball club.

    It's reached the point where some of our players go over there and play during the offseason to suplement their income.
     
  24. dredgfan

    dredgfan Member+

    MLS
    Nov 5, 2004
    Denver or NOLA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So these 7 figure offers don't come from the Euro ladyleagues every year for women's college basketball stars? Just this once?

    Can you clarify your second statement? I see it applying to both the WNBA and NHL in some regards. Surely not the stars but the 10 day contract, 90 day contract type players, yes.
     
  25. TerpSoccerFan

    TerpSoccerFan New Member

    Jan 14, 2007
    Rome
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The original idea was that a draft and cap can't survive when there are other leagues willing to offer more money to players.

    In this case, Parker was offered a seven figure salary to leave the US two years before she would enter the WNBA, yet she turned it down and chose to stay here. I doubt WNBA players make a ton of money as it is.

    The point- which I prefaced as being rather useless- was just that the WNBA was an example of a league that has competing leagues that in some cases pay players more than the US alternative, yet it still functions with a cap and a draft.

    I don't know how prevalent it is that girls here get larger contract offers than they would get from the WNBA... I don't follow women's basketball much. I just remember the Candice Parker story mentioned in the women's NCAA tournament.

    About the second point, I don't know names, I don't know specifics because I don't follow it so much, but I do remember hearing about certain players leaving to play in Europe... they were good established players.

    This is an excerpt from wikipedia:

    "During the WNBA offseason, Griffith has played extensively overseas, usually on teams and leagues that feature other WNBA players. In 2003 and 2004, she played for a Russian professional team in Ekaterinburg."

    She was certainly a good player. And it mentions other players from the WNBA being there.
     

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