Why is Guyana, Suriname and French Guyana in CONCACAF?

Discussion in 'Caribbean' started by Manuel_Medina, Nov 11, 2003.

  1. Manuel_Medina

    Manuel_Medina New Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    Yes, hahaha, me again :)

    I have always wondered: why do Suriname, the French Guyana, and the Guyana play on CONCACAF instead of CONMEBOL?

    I mean, they're more "south" then Venezuela for example, but they play with CONCACAF, does somebody know the story?
  2. Ronaldo+10

    Ronaldo+10 New Member

    Aug 20, 2003
    Los Angeles
    Re: Question about South American-CONCACAF countries...

    I think that happens for 2 reasons. 1 they're alot more caribean in terms of culture then south american and 2 Conmebol doesn't want them.
  3. Actually there's is another reason. Because the travel are a lot cheaper and shorter to the caribbean nations than going inside soutamerica continental land. So Surinam can get eliminated by Caribbean nations with a low cost instead of being eliminated by Argentina with a higher cost.
  4. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When they are so clearly on the continent of South America? Same for Trinidad & Tobabgo which lies just off the South American coast.
  5. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are Guyana, Suriname and French Guyana in CONCACAF?

    When they are so clearly on the continent of South America? Same for Trinidad & Tobabgo which lies just off the South American coast.
  6. SportBoy333

    SportBoy333 Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    I think it makes sense for them to play the Carribean countries because they are on a similar level with them. Playing the South American countries doesnt make sense because they'd get clobbered.
  7. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 20, 2002
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
  8. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    These three countries, which used to be collectively called "The Guianas" have historically, politically, racially and culturally part of the of the Carribean.

    When the former colonies of Spain and Portugal became independent in the 19th Century, these three continued to be minor colonies of Britain (Guyana), Holland (Surniame) and France. The latter is still a colony of France (altho' the French prefer the term "overseas department", taking the position that it is an integral part of France that elects memebers to the French legislature- in fact, the European space agency has it's launch site there, being closer to the equator, optimal for orbital launches). All three have maintained close ties to the Cariibean nations and their former or not-so-former masters.

    They have not considered themselves part of any "South American" region, and niether have the latin nations there considered them part of their unit. There have been territorial disputes between them and the adjacent countires of Brazil and Venezuela. Venezulea continues to press a claim for the western half of Guyana (it was an effort to solidify their hold on this area that prompted Guyana to give land to ill-fated Jonestown there
    in the 70's), and nearly invaded in the 70's. There has never been any effort to link the countries in any realm of interbnational coperation, much less sports. There is no desire to do so, especially in soccer where the CONEMBOL countires are so strong and the 3 are so weak.
  9. Wallydrag

    Wallydrag BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 24, 2002
    Oklahoma City
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's what I wanted to know. Thanks.
  10. Manuel_Medina

    Manuel_Medina New Member

    Oct 14, 2003
    Ok, I understand everything, but putting aside all of this, wouldn't it be BETTER for them to play in CONMEBOL??

    Yes, I know teams like Bolivia practically "suck" and play in the CONMEBOL, but I have always thought that if you play with a GREAT team, you get GREAT training instead if you play against a weak team who is a little better than you.
  11. bolas

    bolas New Member

    Mar 1, 2002
    Because they suck!
  12. SABuffalo786

    SABuffalo786 New Member

    May 18, 2002
    Buffalo, New York
    Re: Re: Why is Guyana, Suriname and French Guyana in CONCACAF?

    To put it bluntly.
  13. uniteo

    uniteo Member+

    Sep 2, 2000
    Rockville, MD
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you

    1) play against 'great teams' on a regular and frequent basis and...

    2) have at least enough talent or athletic ability to make reaching that level a possibility

    2 matches every four years against a great country really won't raise your play.
  14. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is some of the most nonsensical 'reasoning' ever. The US & Canada have historically been much more in line with Europe than they have with the rest of the Americas, so why aren't we in UEFA? (rhetorical question for those impaired to such things.)
  15. themodelcitizen

    Jul 23, 2000
    BMO Field - Sec. 114
    Arsenal FC
    Because the flying costs would be atrocious.

    EDIT: There's a certain line where the cultural differences take a backseat to geography. "The Guianas" are close enough to the Caribbean and culturally similar enough to justify their presence in CONCACAF. Canada and the US are too far removed from England despite their cultural similarities -- that is why Spain isn't in the same confederation as Argentina and Mexico, and Australia and Britain are apart, despite the cultural similarities.
  16. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kinda like Texas and the United States. :)
  17. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    Could you imagine...

    ...if all the Surinam players who have gone to Holland had stayed and played for the national team? There'd be another major player in CONCACAF.
  18. ruudboy

    ruudboy New Member

    Jul 6, 2000
    Maybe, they play in Clarence Seedorf Stadia.

    Also, Kluivert's Dad was a pro in Surinam.

    My friends are from both Grenada and Guyana, i've asked them this same question about having a unified team in the West Indies. All of them blame Jamaica, Jamaica went to the WC all by themselves, and that they wanna continue to do so, same thing for TandT.

    They say the smaller islands produce about 1 to 2 players each that are good, they need the Reggae boys and T and T to round out the rest.
  19. Benedict XVI

    Benedict XVI Member

    Nov 22, 1999
    Ciudad del Encanto
    Lisburn Distillery FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have a Finnish friend who thinks that World Cup qualifying should be by language group, so that Finland could qualify.
  20. beachesl

    beachesl Member

    Oct 21, 2002
    Mendoza, Argentina
    "Group of Slack-jawed Twang"

  21. Temudjin

    Temudjin New Member

    Apr 28, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    Right on point. Also, much of Guyana is uninhabited jungle hinterlands (The Amazon Rainforest) hence the pool of possible soccer players is very small compared to the size of the country.
  22. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Re: Could you imagine...

    I doubt it. The vast majority of them have never even had the Surinamese nationality.
  23. PumaBear

    PumaBear New Member

    May 5, 2001
    back in el defectuoso
    That's an interesting thought... I would imagine that Spanish speaking coallition would be the favorites to win it closely contested by Portuguese ( just because of the strength of Brazillian football). Afterwards you could add the Anglo group, and then French, Italian, and German... What would you do with the African countries, though, where several languages are spoken alongside tribal dialects...
  24. Guinho

    Guinho Member+

    May 27, 2001
    San Francisco, CA
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to get too pedantic, but to get pedantic, most of those "tribal dialects" are languages in their own right. Of course, one could make an argument that German, French, and Spanish are also dialects from particular regions within each state (around Hannover, Paris? and Madrid respectively. Feel free to correct me on these locations). English is itself a creole, really.

    And to be even more ridiculous, geographically, or rather, geologically, T&T is pretty firmly in North America, as is the northern coast of Venezuela. The border of the north american and south American plates is located south of Caracas.

    O.k., that's more than you wanted to know.


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