Why is Germany such a football powerhouse?

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  1. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It was probably more for some past services, like Blatter his crucial role in the 2006 bid. Which has been key in renewing stadiums, stimulating attendances and stabilizing membership levels.
    http://wired868.com/2014/08/06/omerta-part-six-knifing-mandela-in-the-back/

    At the 2002 congress, which was the first under Blatter his leadership, the DFB got 13 seats in the committees thanks to Blatter his efforts. Argentina nine; Switzerland, Italy and USA each eight seats.
    If you supported him:
    http://www.espnfc.com/global/news/2002/0319/20020319blattersupport.html
     
  2. DDDrogba

    DDDrogba Red Card

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    ...................

    I agree with the truth you wrote, but there is one more factor that guaranteed the success of the 2006 bid. It is the death threats that the NZ official received to abstain from voting for South Africa.
     
  3. Cris 09

    Cris 09 Trololololo

    Nov 30, 2004
    Westfalenstadion
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
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  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Hmm yeah, but by all accounts Blatter (or his staff) wasn't involved in that though. I think Blatter - plausibly - got the honorary membership for 1) his decisive role in the ISL-Kirch story (commercial and media rights for 2002 and 2006) where the highest and best bidder did not win the rights, 2) his steering role in the 2006WC bid and 3) bringing them back to all-conquering power, with 13 seats while they were no part of the all-dominant ExCom at the 1998-2002 period (the only time since the mid 50s that they had no seat in ExCom). The ExCom is the heartbeat of the FIFA. Leaving the small peanuts aside, that is what they possibly 'owed' to Blatter (next to co-financing his campaigns).
     
  5. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Hey,

    A full list of individual honors and memberships are listed here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_honours_received_by_Sepp_Blatter#Individual_honours

    For sports association honors, scroll lower.
     
  6. DDDrogba

    DDDrogba Red Card

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Only the French state granted him honors, it was not their football association. The three football associations to give Blatter honors were: Switzerland, Germany, Ecuador.

    This is what Patrick Nally said on twitter:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Nally#Relationship_with_FIFA
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/João_Havelange#President_of_FIFA_.281974-1998.29

    See further: http://jungle-world.com/artikel/1997/45/38133.html
     
  8. DDDrogba

    DDDrogba Red Card

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    PuckVanHeel
    i am very astonished by how knowledgeable you are and by your deep understanding of how football is run. I think it is the duty of experts like you to spread this truth in order to rescue those who still believe in the record of Germany team in world cup as the majority of them seem to be unaware of how football is hijacked by the likes Bechenbauer and Horst Dassler. I can now see the reason why no player among West Germany fell in the doping test in 1986 tournament when Bechenbauer was the head of the team.
     
  9. Alex_K

    Alex_K Member+

    Mar 23, 2002
    Braunschweig, Germany
    Club:
    Eintracht Braunschweig
    Nat'l Team:
    Bhutan
    I, on the other hand, am astonished that you people actually believe that Franz Beckenbauer, of all people, would be capable of running a conspiracy.

    And you guy's know, that the DFB hands out honorary memberships like candy, right? Since Lennart Johansson is a honorary member too, this should suffice as proof that the DFB is a staunch enemy of Blatter.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #360 PuckVanHeel, Apr 13, 2015
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2015
    Of course there is no hierarchical top-down conspiracy.

    Maybe the DFB bet on two horses. Back in 1998 the DFB chairman Egidius Braun was long-time friends with Lennart Johansson, while DFB vice-president (and since 1992 FIFA ExCom member) Mayer-Vorfelder literally partied with Blatter when he got elected. Havelange used this other friendship to say that Lennart Johansson was a "marionette of the Germans" ( http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/print/d-7851562.html - that interview also talks about the half-contrived nature of the Champions League because "four countries pay now 90% of the television rights").
    The close links between Mayer-Vorfelder and Blatter also showed itself when the Kirch deal materialized.

    See the words at page 222 in this document (a scientific publication, by scientists):
    http://pishine.ir/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/German-Football-History-Culture-Society.pdf

    Hehe, maybe that's why Havelange publicly backed him for FIFA presidency in 1995 and 1997 ;)

    Without kidding: very crucial is whether a member nation is in the all-important FIFA ExCom, and for how many years. The second important variable is how many seats a member nation is able to claim in FIFA/UEFA, although some Committees are more important than others. Generally those two go together though (i.e. many seats translates into important seats).
     
  11. spatz

    spatz Member

    Feb 3, 2013

    Would you please not argue with them? Take it for what it is: comedy, amusement. This is like watching Schwarzer Kanal with Puck starring as Karl Eduard von Schni!
     
  12. White/Blue_since1860

    Orange14 is gay
    Jan 4, 2007
    Bum zua City
    Club:
    TSV 1860 München
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    There will be a time when the tide rises and where we can go to the beach along our coastal autobahn A3. Good times ahead for German football!
     
  13. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Here some more to laugh, for you.

    Adidas - the inventor of modern sports corruption
    http://www.zeit.de/sport/2014-05/adidas-bayern-muenchen-dfb-hainer

    Support for Blatter: 2002, 2007, 2011.

    Nobody is claiming that any random country runs football on their own. Some are - to say it politely - very influential though, and are able to host 3 tournaments within 32 years (next one coming in 2024).
     
  14. DDDrogba

    DDDrogba Red Card

    Apr 6, 2015
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    I cant help but remember the imprisoners of the Cave of Plato when I see the constant resistance to the truth spoken or spread by experts in this board. the evidence brought up here is overwhelming. being a member in the DFB is a substantial evidence in forming an opinion of a favortism from fifa towards germany especially when this evidence is combined with the fact that Germany team not only is immune to referee errors but also referees always side by them. We are only soccer fans and we only talk about football, nothing else. hope no one gets upset with what we say, we are only speaking the truth which is bitter in most of its forms.
     
  15. LastBoyscout

    LastBoyscout Member+

    Mar 6, 2013
    Seeing that Germany is a very influential country in general (at least in Europe) and the DFB is the richest national sports association in the world (if I am not mistaken), I think it doesn't need a big conspiracy too make that good partnership between the DFB and Fifa work. Fifa goes where the money is (as does the rest of the footballing world) that's not a conspiracy that is just how things work in modern football. Money is king. There is however a big step from "Fifa is a money whore and caters to associations that bring in big bucks" and "Fifa actively helps Germany win world cups buh di ********ing hu" that some posters here seem so keen to believe. Whatever lets you sleep at night I suppose.
     
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  16. spatz

    spatz Member

    Feb 3, 2013
    I am surprised that Faust has yet to be mentioned. He was German too. Obviously deals with the devil are very common in Germany, explaining perhaps Germany's four World Cups. The devil is after all very powerful.
     
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  17. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Think about the final fight in the Gladiator (2000) movie with Russell Crowe ;) :cool: Analogues to: 'help, we are usually one of the fittest teams around, but we face in this tournament some suspensions and injuries, can we call up new guys?'
     

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