Why is Beasley not in Europe ?

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by rawdog, Feb 23, 2004.

  1. rawdog

    rawdog New Member

    Feb 14, 2004
    NYC
    Beasley needs to get out of the MLS as fast as possible in order for his skills to be refined. He has demolished MLS defenders and needs better competition, which will greatly help him with the national team. He looks bored playing for the Fire and I think he needs a greater challenge at this critical time in his career.
     
  2. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Beasley must get physically stronger and improve his passing and finishing before europe will take him.
    He's an exciting dribbler but the results of his efforts must end with more goals being scored.
     
  3. astabooty

    astabooty Member

    Nov 16, 2002
    China
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    idk, i think he could easily find a team that he could get good time on in the eredivise or lique 1. portugal would be good as well i think.
     
  4. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    I'm not gonna get into it but I simply don't buy this rationale. For DaMarcus, or Landon, or anyone. (only really care about the Fire players it affects/doesn't affect, personally, though)

    They're well within their rights to leave mind you, but I don't think anyone has to anymore.

    Especially for the likes of Portugal, Holland, or France.
     
  5. dabes2

    dabes2 Member

    Jun 1, 2003
    Chicago
    Beasley did an interview around on the topic right around the MLS cup. I don't remember the source.

    He basically said that he didn't think he was going to get the right transfer this off-season and he was going to play another year in MLS, complete his contract, give Europe another try next year when he can go on a free.
     
  6. rawdog

    rawdog New Member

    Feb 14, 2004
    NYC
    Re: Re: Why is Beasley not in Europe ?

    Don't get me wrong, I understand your passion for your Fire team, but are you equating the MLS in the same breathe as Portugal, Holland and France respective leagues ?
     
  7. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    Re: Re: Re: Why is Beasley not in Europe ?

    No. I'm saying you're not getting a whole new level of competition, generally speaking, going to the average team in those level leagues.

    The league may be better organised, have greater fan passion, pay more, whatever...but it's not necessarily a whole reason in and of itself to pack up and leave the US 'cause you can't develop here any further'. it's a lot more subtle than whether the league as a whole is better or worse.
     
  8. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    That's what it sounds like.

    Take, for example that Gibbs character. He was in the Bundesliga for a while (maybe other leagues too), but he definitely played in a league that you sir, would probably not "equate in the same breathe" with MLS. Yet it was Gibbs who had that handball-to-PK-to-Loss in the game vs. Brazil, and it was Gibbs that was caught off guard when Holland scored the game winner last week. Given those facts, one might even dare to suggest that playing in Europe didn't do him too much good.

    On the other hand, Carlos B. played his entire professional career with the Fire, and made a seemingly seamless switch (nice alliteration!) to the Premier League (his present suspension not withstanding).

    as far as what Beasley needs to do to improve, Fanaddict had it right.
     
  9. Ackala

    Ackala New Member

    May 17, 2002
    Washington DC
    Exactly, I don't think Beasley's game has improved enough in the last few years to warrant the European leagues to pay a transfer for him. He's definatly not strong enough to play in EPL, Bundesliga, or Serie A. He really needs to work on his finishing because all his hard work does not eqaute to goals... and very rarely does he make that 'killer' pass that sets up the goal. Defenders i imagine are not afraid of him shooting from outside the 18 because his shot more often than not is either weak or not on target. And for pete's sake... hitting the weight room couldn't hurt.

    But if he works on these things takes it on himself to work out a deal in Spain, or Holland (preferably) i could see it working wonders for him.
     
  10. rawdog

    rawdog New Member

    Feb 14, 2004
    NYC
    Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    So you are taking a couple of mistakes a player made to justify the reason "european" football did not help him ? Why do all of Brazil best players go to European leagues ? Argentines, Columbians, why to they leave their domestic leagues ? Besides being better organised and higher salaries, the leagues are host to an array of different nationalities who bring their own dimension to the team. This atomatically raise the level of competition because of the need to raise ones' game, which in turn the players perform at a higher standard.
     
  11. Pbourgeacq

    Pbourgeacq New Member

    Aug 8, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    While Gibbs was involved in the play leading to the goal by Holland, I'm not sure the goal isn't more appropriately attributed to Hejduk, or perhaps even a great play by the Dutch. Which leads me to another point... Saying Gibbs isn't up to par because he may have had some responsibility for goals scored against us by two of the best teams in the world may be a stretch.

    Personally, on the whole, I thought Gibbs looked very good in the game against Holland. Whether that is due to his time in Germany, I don't know. I'm just not sure he's the example I'd use were I arguing against Europe.
     
  12. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    Look man, I'm just trying to relax and chill over here. That's totally your opinion and you're certainly justified with what you're saying and all. I mean, it's like this... Europe has some great leagues that help players to improve. Why isn't Beasley in one of those leagues? (your original question) All the other guys up there have given you a number of valid reasons. What do I bring to the party? Me, I'm just here for a good time.
     
  13. Pbourgeacq

    Pbourgeacq New Member

    Aug 8, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    That explains the "Why I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!" subject heading you started. :)
     
  14. jlm120170

    jlm120170 New Member

    Dec 14, 2003
    maryland
    HERE HERE .....
    You have to admit Gibbs did a hell of a job haveing to play up against Rudd..
     
  15. theburden

    theburden Member

    Jul 11, 2002
    MDSC head brewer
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    I'll have to refer you to a new article written in the UC newspaper. It's called "A Sensational Twist on the News with Flynn O'Hara Murphy"

    Then shut up.
     
  16. voros

    voros Member

    Jun 7, 2002
    Parts Unknown
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

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  17. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He'll be with the Fire in Portugal. That's Europe.
     
  18. Madrileno

    Madrileno New Member

    Jan 27, 2002
    Denver
    thats the only way he will get to Europe. He has great speed but needs to have more accurate ball control. Especially around the big boys.
     
  19. ne plus ultra

    ne plus ultra Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    Boys, don't let some idiot New Yorker who puts "european" in quotations start trolling here.

    Ignore him, boys. Ignore him.
     
  20. Catfish

    Catfish Member

    Oct 1, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    my 2 cents.

    He is too young, small, and light. Give him a few more yrs and he will be on some European club.
     
  21. Pbourgeacq

    Pbourgeacq New Member

    Aug 8, 2001
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'm an Idiot, pt. 2!

    Oh yeah? Well since we're going to be grown up about it, (_!_) to you!!
     
  22. RogerinIL

    RogerinIL New Member

    Feb 24, 1999
    DaMarcus isn't likely to get much bigger as he's over 21. He might fill out a little over the next couple years, but he's pretty much where he's going to be in terms of size and weight.

    Going to Europe can be a boon to one's game IF they get a chance to play. As a counter example to those who think Europe is the end all be all for a player's soccer development, I offer Frankie Hejduk as an example. He went to Beyer Leverkusen and got plenty of splinters up his butt. And his game suffered.

    Remember that European countries have restrictions on non-Euro players. Americans, when they go over, are basically in competition with the best players coming in from Africa, Asia, and South America for a team's limited foreign player game playing spots. Also, because those slots are limited, it restricts teams as to who they want to bring in as foreign players.

    Unless the player is good enough to get into games, his development is restricted to what he may be able to get training with his club or possibly in Reserve team matches. That level of competition needs to be better than MLS for a player to improve if he's not assured of playing first team football. Frankly, I don't think it is.

    Each American player needs to determine when his skills are good enough to jump over and make a big enough splash to be a first teamer. I take it as a good sign that DaMarcus has a plan. His MLS time has been well spent. He's improved immeasurably while with the Fire. But he has a couple things to work on -- his shot , for instance -- that will get him a good shot at being a first team player.
     
  23. Greddy

    Greddy Member

    Jun 24, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Getting Stongaaaaa, Getting Strongaaaaa

    This is the only part of your post I have a problem with. While I agree that Damarcus is probably not going to grow anymore, saying that he's pretty much where he's going to be in terms of size and weight is incorrect. Just look at the size, weight, and speed difference between a 21 year old college football player, and a 25 year old NFL player. I'm not saying that DMB is gonna get much bigger, but he certainly can if he works hard enough.
     
  24. FairWeatherFan

    Sep 9, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    just look at how skinny Sammy Sosa was in his 20's with the Sox and how much bigger he got with *cough* serious weight training in his 30's.

    ps- Andrew, do you have a website where I can start posting my column?
     
  25. By-Tor

    By-Tor Member

    Tottenham Hotspur, Chicago Fire
    Nov 30, 2003
    Deerfield, IL
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Getting Stongaaaaa, Getting Strongaaaaa

    Just look at the hair loss of the 25 y.o. NFL player! 'Roids! BALCO is under investigation, so that avenue is cut off.

    I agree w/ the original thought, DMB will not get much bigger due to his body frame and make-up.
     

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