Why Europe will never win another World Cup

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by SoccerScout, Sep 29, 2003.

  1. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Ok, maybe not NEVER, but as things are Europe is in serious danger of harming its growth.

    While the fans live of the Fat of soccer with superteams like Real Madrid, the continued importing of South American, African and Asian players to Europe only slows the growth and development of Euro Nations youths.

    MEANWHILE in places like Brazil there has never been so many open jobs and opportunities for young players as now. Look at the Brazilian league today and you will find quite a few already established stars at the age of 18, something that was not common long ago. This only helps develop Brazilian soccer further, by giving it breathing room to grow. Europe on the other hand has very little room to bring out the young talents, there simply are less and less jobs for them.

    So Euro's can enjoy their superteams and claim that they have superior leagues, but when the World Cup and Olympics comes around European nations have been digging themselves a big big hole. Now even Englad has started to invest more and more in foreign talent, not the formula for attempting to win a WC after a 40 year drought.

  2. david dunn

    david dunn New Member

    Jun 20, 2003
    this is not right for all europe, only few countries like England, or Germany, France still provide europe with their best players(no good for our teams), there're 50 in EPL, but that's right there is a high number of foreigners in some french team too...
    and we can see that countries like Czech, or Turquie export their best players too, and there is a good place for young players in these countries, and their national teams are more and more great...
    the phenomenon you speak about is the reason of the falling of England or Germany NT(it has began IMO), but I think other teams will replace these, and we can always expect a good level for France or Italy NT...
  3. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Real Madrid
    If the best of the world is playing in the world, the standard of the national teams will improve due to the improved quality of football. England, for example, is now much better NT than it was 10 years ago. With the exception of the Bundesliga, the number of foreign players are not alarming yet. You only only need 22 players to win a WC.
  4. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Exactly. There may be less English players coming through at the top level, but those that are coming through are of the highest quality.

    We've just broken our national team's record for the most consecutive wins (8, I think) and are looking in pretty good shape. I don't see much evidence of a decline in our fortunes - quite the reverse, in fact.
  5. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    So Brazil, Argentina and USA are going to win every WC from here until the end of time then ???.

    This is nonsense. Don't Portugal or France win loads of youth tournaments ?. Yes, if even more non-Europeans come in, things may look dodgy, but to suggest just because some world class non-Europeans play in Europe, there is going to be no future European WC winners is crap. How many foreigners play in Peru ?, and is their national team great ?. Who will win all the WC then ?.

    It's when teams are signing crap non-Europeans because they're cheap is when people should worry.
  6. Kqql

    Kqql Member

    Sep 22, 2003
    Except for Sweden in 1958, every WORLD CUP held in Europe has been won by a European team.

    Germany 2006 ?
    South Korea Japan 2002 Brazil
    France 1998 France
    USA 1994 Brazil
    Italy 1990 W.Germany
    Mexico 1986 Argentina
    Spain 1982 Italy
    Argentina 1978 Argentina
    Germany 1974 W.Germany
    Mexico 1970 Brazil
    England 1966 England
    Chile 1962 Brazil
    Sweden 1958 Brazil
    Switzerland 1954 W.Germany
    Brazil 1950 Uruguay
    France 1938 Italy
    Italy 1934 Italy
    Uruguay 1930 Uruguay
  7. steve hog

    steve hog Red Card

    Sep 21, 2003
    What a bolloks thread, what an utter bag of shite. For a start, by having one of the better leagues in europe, and therefore the world, there is far more money involved in football, with big clubs becoming big buisinesses. Clubs realise the need bring through youth not only to save monet but also to make money. Therefore, you will notice that in many clubs the devleopment of youth has been given high priority in order to compete. Look at the quality of youngsters liverpool have brought thorugh recently with owen and gerrard, obviously the same goes with manchester united, and even smaller clubs like west ham, who SURVIVE by their ability tio bring through quality youth who are eventually sold for millions. Also, our players are involved in a high competition for places which only helps them raise the standards of their own game, and, they play against and with great players such as nistelrooy and veron, week in week out, which is an invaluable asset in developing youth.
  8. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool FC

    The flawed logic of this post has already been dealt with. It would appear that a fair slice of wishful thinking is at work here. The bottom line is that the financially imperious European leagues will continue to draw the best talent in the world and impact on the local players will continue to be positive and not negative.

    If anything, you could argue that a more likely outcome is that countries who do not have a large proportion of their best players playing in the Champions League will never win the World Cup again. Brazil and Argentina better keep exporting their best players to leagues worthy of their talents.
  9. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    Ok guys, go ahead and avoid the facts.
  10. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Which facts are these?
  11. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Give us a chance.

    Tell us what these 'facts' are, then we'll avoid them.

    Or, more likely, expose them for the nonsensical, ill-informed drivel that they are.
  12. steve hog

    steve hog Red Card

    Sep 21, 2003
    Soccer scout is an utter moron
  13. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Haha, that's what you've been doing SS.

    Funny thread, though, I wish it were true.

    Shall I start the "why Brazil will win every World Cup from here to eternity" thread?
  14. Sildegil

    Sildegil New Member

    May 15, 2002
    Well i think it is an issue in several european countries. Specially those with a strong league (well with much more cash) as England, Italy and Spain. The strange thing is that even in Germany there is many foreigners.

    Anyway, in France, Portugal or Holland the problem is reversed. In France, every year 90% of our best players are transfered to top 3 leagues, offering chances for our youngsters to play in our league.

    So your comment is partially true.
  15. denver_mugwamp

    denver_mugwamp New Member

    Feb 9, 2003
    Denver, Colorado
    This thread is probably crap...

    ...but most of Europe has a rapidly declining birth rate. This is particularly true in France, Germany and Italy. (The English are doing somewhat better. I guess the weather limits outdoor activities.) Now this certainly doesn't mean that a European team will never win another World Cup. But it will have an effect. Countries like Brazil, with a high birthrate and a weak economy, tend to push more youngsters into soccer as a career. In some areas, it might be looked on as the only opportunity for advancement. It's hard to make a direct connection between demographics and sports, but is the loss of quality in the NBA connected to the decline in urban African-American birthrates? This is interesting stuff.
  16. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Chicago Fire
    So this theory only goes into effect for the future, right? Because in the past world cup... if David Seaman doesn't nearly snap his spine in two late in the first half, he gets to both of Brazil's goals and England advances 1-0.

    Furthermore, if your theory was valid, how do you explain Sweden and England moving on, and Batistuta weeping after his third match?

    In other words, when does your theory take effect? 2002 is out, but how about 2006? 2010? Please, give us a timeline.
  17. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    My original thread was motivated by an interview I saw last night with Zagallo, the only man to be involved in 4 World Cup Championships. The interviewer Armando Nogueira, one of Brazil's most legendary soccer commentators said this to Zagallo and Zagallo wholeheartidly agreed. He coulndt agree more he said.

    So its not only Soccerscout that thinks this, some highly rated soccer pros feel the same way.

    Thanks for the insults, always know where I can go to get a daily dose!

  18. Juanele

    Juanele Member+

    Aug 4, 1999
    Colorado, US
    I think it is almost guaranteed that a Euro nation will win the next WC. Brazil is a great team but they are not the invincible squad that some people make them out to be. Argentina has some talented players but as a team they don't inspire any fear. Outside of those two what other country (other than European) has a whisper of a chance to win a WC?
  19. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:

    As succesful a man as Zagallo may be and as good a writer as Nogueira is, they're not very good sources when it comes to soccer around the world, as opposed to in Brazil only.

    So, how exactly does this help your bs argument?
  20. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Chicago Fire
    By providing the comforting knowledge that famous people share this particular idiotit opinion with him. That's my bet.
  21. bettendor

    bettendor New Member

    Sep 25, 2003
    If memory serves me, wasn't Germany in the 2002 World Cup final?

    Judging from the list of winners and sites for the tournaments, usually those who have to travel less tend to win the Cup, with European teams winning in Europe and seemingly either Brazil or Argentina (countries with strong soccer traditions and deep talent pools) winning when it's held elsewhere. Plus, I'm not sure about the rest of Europe, but La Liga in Spain has a limit of 4 non-EU players per team, so that would limit the number of Brazilians and Argentinians and other outsiders from taking too many jobs in the league.
  22. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Perhaps this thread should have been posted on rivalries. We're getting a real 'slop over' on The Beautiful Game from a lot of trolls lately.
    It's hard to tell the boards apart.

    Let's try this.
    Serious or even light hearted discussions or news on football/soccer.
    Use, The Beautiful Game.

    Trolling, insulting, verbally wanking or just wanting a daily dose of insults (You might seek professional help here)
    Go to the Rivalries Board...!
  23. neovox

    neovox Member

    Aug 21, 2003
    Sul do Brasil
    1) You´re right.

    2) I don´t know about La Liga. An interesting information: there´re 50 Brazilian players in the Champions League.
  24. BadReligion

    BadReligion New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    He never mentioned anything about USA. Please, don't tie us in with this moronic thread...
  25. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So that this thread is not totally moronic, I'll add something.
    Look out for Iceland as they have their WC by 3114 plan underway!

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