Discussion in 'D.C. United' started by MichaelArandia23, Sep 27, 2003.
why didn't etcheverry play the other night against the metros?
As far as I am aware of, there was no official explaination by Hudson or Trask. Short of that, what follows will be rampant speculation by my fellow BSers. I will say that this is not the first time this has happened this year.
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Rampant speculation, my fanny!
Let me first put on my flame retardant suit ... OK.
He's old. He's out of shape. He plays very little defense. He slows down the attack. Richie Williams owns his a$$. Q2 is playing better than him right now. His corner kicks suck. It's easier for him to berate the linesman from the bench. His freekicks suck. He cut his mullet and lost his magical powers. Others on the team have finally learned to take throwins. Hristo needs a drinking buddy on the sideline. Did I mention he's old and out of shape? He was hoping to put the moves on Veronica Paysee but she no longer works the sidelines and Wynalda wasn't interested. When you're only 5'9" but weigh 190lbs, once you sit down it's hard to get up.
Flame away Etch defenders. Flame away! I can take it ...
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ps ... Etch defenders - lighten up please.
It doesnt matter why, he didn't, and we WON!
Against the Metros.
Alecko, Marco, and Chino were warming up down by us during the game. The brought Alecko in, I'm assuming to give him some minutes and to rest Thiago. By the time we were up by 2 goals, we had focused more on defense, thus Chino goes in. Since we didn't really need anymore goals, we didn't need an offensive spark from Marco.
btw... we gave him a little "Diablo" chant while he and Chino were watching from the endline, which he returned with a wave and clapping.
Well well what do you know, another Marco bashing thread.
This crap is really getting old. Why don't you just sticky a Marco Bashing thread and get it over with. Then all you experts can bash to your hearts content.
Geez! I guess it wasn't over the top enough.
You all are taking what I wrote way too seriously.
That sounds like a reasonable suggestion.
Of course I would like to add that people defending Marco should not be harassed and given cards.
I hide nothing about my opinion on Etch. I don't think he's capable of playing in MLS anymore. But if anyone read what I wrote above and took it totally seriously ... well, I just can't help you there.
Etcheverry still the best playmaker on dcunited
Not since we got cerritos did we have any repectable forwards on our team. E showed us all what he can do and he can still do it. Not only is he a class act on the field but off also he appreciates his fans more than any other athlete ive ever been around (nba,nfl, nhl) if hes not here next season dcunited will be losing a season ticket holder.
That's your opinion. Mine is that he has contributed to getting this team in the playoff hunt after three years. After Ray stripped him of the armband and told him to sit, Marco took it like a man and said he would do whatever it takes to help the team win. He would play 50 or so minutes and play his heart out for the team he loves. Then Ray decides to go back on his word and play him a full 90. Talk about setting somebody up. He had great games against New England, Colorado and LA at home. He's passing well and even playing out of position when asked. And no one even mentions the fact that the young players, especially Convey have had a great mentor that helped make them the players they are today. Once the seasons over I'm sure you all will be happy when they throw Marco out like yesterdays newspaper.
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During the game the ESPN2 announcers seemed to indicate that it was because his heel was flaring up again and they didn't want to risk it with the game being on the plastic crap.
or maybe I was just hearing things since nobody else seems to have remembered hearing it.
We have three games in a week. Marco has shown in the last month or so that - if he's not depended on to be a 90-minute man every single game - he's still able to contribute. But Traskson has to pick their spots to best use him.
He'll be great to have at home with Nelson anchoring the defense behind him. But without Nellie, on turf, on the road and with Richie on the field, why not sit him to rest him for Sunday?
Let me just say first that I am a Marco fan.. He's my favorite United player of all-time..
With that being said, I've been very critical of him on the radio and in print as well on this board, and for good reason..
Though Benjamin (Knave) was saying all that in a sarcastic tone, there certainly is a ring of truth to what he is saying.. And anyone who knows the history of this board will certainly notice that Knave and myself rarely see eye to eye on many topics, but in his defense, he went out of his way to say that he was being facecious..
Chico and Jose, you need to lighten up.. I don't know if you guys watched the match or not late Thursday night but the comments that Eric Wynalda (love him or hate him), Ty Keough and Glenn Davis were all saying were absolutely true.. They said as much that the 4 players that consisted of United's midfield on that day (Convey-Dema-Stewart-Olsen) worked their arses off for 90 minutes and created a huge problem for the Mutts in that they had no time to make decisions because of the constant pressure applied by the foursome and the attacking quality of those players as well..
Even being a Marco apologist myself I can certainly recognize that with Marco in the midfield they would not have been able to produce that kind of sustained pressure for 90 minutes.. You have to at least concede that much..
I still think Marco is a dangerous player in this league, he's just not a 90 minute danger player.. Considering that we have a whole lot of matches in a short period of time, why argue with the success that midfield had on Thursday?
So basically to sum it all up for the original posters question, Marco didn't play for tactical reasons and it ended up being a home run for Traskson.. That is not to say that we couldn't have still gotten 3 points with Marco in the lineup, it's just that on that night the combination worked more to our advantage...
Well Benjamin, your right. Diablo is slow and is obviously aging, but keep in mind he had always been slow since day one in this league. The moment he got injured in Chile back in 93, he hasnt been the same. Thats why he hasnt really had a team since then, or at least been a starter. He still played with the national team, but thats because he was more of a symbol.
It hurts to see Diablo be what he has become. He went from being one of South Americas great forwards to a wanna be midfielder, who convey should be able to out do easily, which is further indication that Convey doesnt belong as a first hand attacking midfielder.
I will always see him as a forward. Seeing him as a midfielder is like watching Wynalda trying to be a midfielder. Doesnt look right. For a man that can bearly run, Diablo plays pretty decently in MLS.
Etcheverry has the same problem as VACA, who is an actual midfielder and can bend and place the ball better then diablo. Its the forwards and the surrounding cast. Etch has very little mobility, but if hes going to be placed as an attacking midfielder, hes going to need a cast that suits him. He didnt have that with Rongen, and Hudson, well he is not taking the chance is doing that, Im assuming because Etch has indicated he's going to retire. I like what he's done with the team though.
My point, Etch is playing an adopted position. His mobility hasnt changed since day one, so stop using that as an excuse for his bad play. The threat of his passes and long balls are still better then anyone else on the field (according to the assitant coach of DC), but can the forwards play with Etch? Can they read him like the way the forwards did when Arena was orchestrating everything?
The only other current answer to replace etch is q2. But he doesnt place the ball as well as Etch. He has far better vision then Convey, and is learning to hustle as good as convey, but DC is going to need to find a serious candidate to replace Etch if he retires. And yes, I think he should retire after this season. I prefer to see one of my countries heros retire with grace, as oppose to what happend with Harkes.
Wow. Now THAT'S over the top.
While I should lighten up, I think some of the Marco bashers should lighten up themselves.
I think Knave's post, given his Marco bashing history, was merely an extension of his immense dislike for Marco. Then Knave tells everyone that "But if anyone read what I wrote above and took it totally seriously...", well my question is, how much of his post was in seriousness, 80%? 90%? Should we be guessing what percentage of of his future posts we should be taking seriously?
Cweedchop, when one start taking Wynalda, Keough & Davis as the gospel truth, then people are going to question your judgement.
Let's get something straight, I think that Marco is not in his prime, I have never questioned that.
But to say that he cannot play in MLS is utterly ridiculous.
Monster and 1MADDOG (on this thread), among others, have a much clearer assession of Marco.
My question to you is, given what we know of the Metrostars and Bradley and the bunker mentality, do you think Marco will play under those circumstances? Or should DC United play speedsters so that they can run into a wall of defenders?
And let's not forget that Marco played in the last two home wins against Los Angeles and San Jose. Does anyone remember the beautiful pass to Cerritos which Cerritos crossed to Stewart. Short memories I guess.
I guess the main problem that I have is with the disrespectpectful nature of some posts about a DC United Icon.
Well said Jose. And I don't feel like I need to lighten up neither as the Marco bashers on BigSoccer outnumber the rest of us. My point was, we're in a groove heading towards the playoffs and everyone on the team has contributed including Marco. Why waste your time and energy bashing players when you should be behind the ENTIRE team 100%? I'm just sick of the bashing crap and I vented. Sorry. But everyone's entitled to their opinion. And we all know what opinions are like, don't we?
Pardon my ignorance, but what happened to him? Knee injury?
Thanks for the response Jose and I'll answer your questions for you..
1) As for the aforementioned commentators, if one were to peruse the USA Nats forum, one would see that I hate Ty Keough with a passion.. Don't like him, never will, but with that being said, what they said on Thursday was absoutely true in regards to Marco not being in the lineup.. It hurts to say that but it is essentially true.. I'll file their comments under the "blind squirrel" theory.. Though disliked by many, they are capable of getting something right every blue moon or so..
2) I never said Marco couldn't play in this league.. I think he still can under gaurded conditions.. As I said earlier, if one was being objective, one has to concede that he simply isn't a fully effective 90 minute player anymore in this league.. If Marco dedicated himself to get into skinny Preki-like condition, there is no reason to believe that he couldn't play effectively for 90 minutes anymore.. The game is changing before our eyes and getting faster and faster and some players, despite their obvious magical talent, just can't keep up with racehorse kids...
3) I don't think the Mutts can afford to bunker today.. We are on their heels and if United plays their normal home match we will jump ahead of the Mutts into second place.. I think the Mutts will throw caution to the wind and go all out for the win, especially since we walked into Giants Dump and handed them their collective asses.. As for the speedster issue, I'm riding the fence on that one.. One mind of thinking will tell you that a player with Marco's sharp eye will and can pick apart a bunkered defense, but that hasn't exactly been evident this season, but I blame that more on the fact that we had a severe lack of finishing on more than one occasion this season.. But conversely, having that speed all through the midfield can create mismatches and problems for the opposition that normally wouldn't apply with Marco's slower tempo.. So basically to me it's a wash what happens today.. I said as much in the post game thread that I wouldn't be shocked to see Marco back in the starting X1.. I don't have a problem with him in the lineup during home matches as generally home teams (especially this one) take a different tactical approach to winning matches.. On the road is a different story as Traskson usually plays for draws and having a hard working midfield is essential to that tactic..
4) I think with any team you will find fans that are mostly of this mindset..
"What have you done for me lately?"..
I think this applies especially to United fans.. Remember all those fans who wanted, and still do to some degree, Hudson's head on a stick after our 0-3-4 start? Where are they now? Have any of them come back on this board and started a thread by saying "perhaps I was a bit harsh" on Hudson at the beginning and not patient enough.. I think this applies to the Marco situation in much the same manner..
At times this season Marco has been consideribly underwhelming and may have cost us some points but at the same time his brilliance at certain points has gotten us some wins.. This is how it goes with Marco and his fans/detractors.. This is very much a "give it to me now" society nowadays and fans don't have much patience for icons..
I think each and every fan in their own way respects Marco immensely for what he has done for this club, I just think most of those people doesn't think he can bring it for 90 minutes anymore..It doesn't make them respect Marco any less.. Marco wants to win as badly as any fan does as well..
I don't think this is a matter of disrespect, it's a matter of what can you do for me now unfortunately..
Yeah, blew out his knee right before the 94 World Cup. He trained his ass off just to be able to play in the WC only to get hosed by the ref and shown a bogus red card 10 minutes after he came into the game v Germany.