Why are the trend lines for public opinion opposite for the US and the UK?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by superdave, Mar 12, 2003.

  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    One of the storylines I've been following is British public opinion and political opinion. And the pro-war position has been losing ground there. And Blair has been losing ground, both within his party and in public opinion.

    But here, it's been the opposite. Polls show Bush getting stronger.

    My question is, why?
     
  2. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    the american media portrays the UN as "no nothing badnicks" and that's what people see.
    they're(pick your "they're") getting tired of it. (at least that's what the polls we've seen around here are saying)
     
  3. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    I think a lot of the US trend is due to impatience -- not necessarily impatience with Saddam or the UN, but impatience with the constant news coverage of this issue. The majority of Americans think it's a fait accompli that we're going to war, so we might as well just get it over with and get back to watching Survivor and Are You Hot? without Bush press conference interruptions.
     
  4. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    This is so right it's scary. (That isn't sarcasm)
     
  5. Danwoods

    Danwoods Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Bertram, TX, US
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    In addition to the impatience of the american people, our economy is cratering under the "threat of war". Most economic experts feel that our economy will go back to normal after the war is completed. We are ready to get back to cheaper fuel prices, job stability, 401k growth, etc.
     
  6. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
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    Are You Hot rules!
     
  7. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Whether its Gulf War I, Kosovo, Afghanistan or this coming war. The US provides most of the troops. Many Americans see the UN being unreasonable. At the same time many people view their countries having little power militarily so they view the UN as a way to gain power. Also, many people around the world dislike Bush for other reasons and even though they don't like Saddam, they view this as an opportunity to stand up to Bush.
     
  8. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    since when is lorenzo "renegade" lawless a good judge of what is hot or not?
     
  9. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    This is soooo correct...

    and that is why you are an elder statesmen!
     
  10. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    How does this explain antiwar support growing in a nation that has committed 40,000 troops, one quarter of its armed forces, to the Persian Gulf? A nation that has been the staunchest US ally in the war on terror from the beginning?

    Perhaps because the Bush administration has systematically ignored or avoided addressing their concerns over the past 2 years. See Mexico and immigration reform for one example of the Bush administration alienating a cooperative ally.
     
  11. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Also, many people around the world dislike Bush for other reasons and even though they don't like Saddam, they view this as an opportunity to stand up to Bush.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    Elder, I don't care about people around the world. I'm comparing the US to the UK.
     
  13. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Also, many people in the UK dislike Bush for other reasons and even though they don't like Saddam, they view this as an opportunity to stand up to Bush.

    People in UK dislike Bush for Kyoto, International Criminal Court, Chemical Weapons treaty, the fact that he's a Texan that hasn't traveled and supports the death penalty. If this was a Clinton policy, people in the UK would be more likely to support it. And even the ones who opposed would be less angry at Blair for going along with Clinton versus going along with Bush.
     
  14. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Some posts just need fixin'

    If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

    One of these things is not like the others. One of these things does not belong.

    Maybe because Clinton wasn't nearly as full of shit as Bush is.
     
  15. Elder Statesman

    Mar 29, 2002
    Central Park South,
    Lets see. The Left in Europe (I'm including the UK in Europe for those that wonder what UK has to do with Europe) disliked Bush when he got elected. For them Bush was the "Toxic Texan" who loved barbecues and the death penalty. The Left in Europe had a field day attacking Bush. Then Bush opposed the Intl. treaties (Kyoto, Chemical Weapons, Intl. Criminal Court). More reason to attack Bush. Then came 9/11 and the Left in Europe felt bad so they had to take a break. Now with the Iraq issue, the Left in Europe(which includes the UK) can all pile on Bush.

    Regarding your Aunt, maybe she should go get her problem checked out.

    Regarding Clinton, wasn't this the guy that members of his own party complemented for being "an unusually good liar"?
     
  16. irishFS1921

    irishFS1921 New Member

    Aug 2, 2002
    WB05 Compound
    for all you clinton masturbators

    http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/Kosovo/Kosovo-controversies59.htm

    http://www.sm.org/exegesis/9903-foreignpolicy.html

    and then here's a nice little "pick a gate" website
    http://members.tripod.com/~GOPcapitalist/clinton-scandals.html

    clintons "earth shattering policies"
    Gays in the military - the first issue of the Clinton presidency
    Clinton National Socialist Health Care Plan - estimated to cost trillions
    AmeriCorps - a program that PAYS wages to "volunteers" to do volunteer work.
    Allowing more Americans to visit one of their own treasures: the Lincoln Bedroom
    Saving our welfare system from being "slashed" by Republicans then supporting the same plan the Republicans proposed
    Supporting an increase of 2 time the inflation rate in medicare and then vetoing it when the Republicans propose it
    We all know the importance and necessity of that 1993 tax hike - the largest in history
    Shutting down the government twice despite constant efforts of negotiations made by Republican leaders
    Putting what was at first described as 100,000 cops then 75,000 cops then 55,000 then 25,000 cops then the actual number: about 16,000 cops on the street
    Joycelyn Elders - need I say more? audio of a quote
    Midnight Basketball
    Attacking Republicans and Ken Starr for bringing "false" charges on him then admitting he lied
    Wag-the-Dog-esque attacks on terrorists and dictators in the middle of political disasters for the administration
     
  17. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Millions and millions and millions of Europeans can't all be wrong.

    So Bush will be remembered as an unusually bad liar then?
     
  18. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Maybe when Mexico is ready to take back the 8 million citizens who reside here illegally!

    Was the reform you were speaking of?
     
  19. USAsoccer

    USAsoccer Member

    Jul 15, 1999
    Tampa, Florida
    Sure they can... millions of them once thougth the earth was FLAT!
     
  20. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    J'ai fixé votre poteau.
     
  21. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Which is why Bush floated the idea of expediting citizenship for Mexican illegals during the campaign. Because he felt so strongly then that those **************s should hike back across the Rio Grande.
     
  22. needs

    needs Member

    Jan 16, 2003
    Brooklyn
    I was talking about Bush leaving his good buddy Vincente Fox out to dry. You remember Vincente Fox, the guy who was going to help the US resolve problems associated with illegal immigration from the Mexican side of the border and lead to greater cooperation in administering the border. Too bad Bush has ignored him for two years, helping to erode his political support.
     
  23. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
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    A bad compromise -- he should have either said no dismissals for homosexuality or nothing at all.
    "Trillions"? By who, the health insurance industry? Over what time period? And compared to what?
    National Peace Corps where kids earn college money -- great idea. The GOP equivalent is the "ARMY OF ONE". Take your pick.
    Pot, kettle, $100 million raised by Bush II in 1999-2000 followed by closed-door energy industry meetings & financial industry-friendly bankruptcy reform, black.
    Well, yeah. Be happy.
    Say it along with me: Fixed. Your. Post.
    You started to run out of ideas right about here, didn't you?
    Violent crime down by over 40% in most urban areas, due mostly to economic growth that gives young people better job opportunities. But that has nothing to do with anything, I assume.
    Joycelyn Elders was right -- if kids jerk off, kids don't have as much a need to screw around and cause themselves all sorts of problems with pregnancies and diseases. Only in puritan USA would this be controversial.
    The crime-fighting equivalent of partial-birth abortions -- a wedge issue that signifies nothing.
    This is about as relevant to a discussion of Clinton's policies as Katherine Harris is to Bush II's.
    And the Bush administration does not want to deflect the media from its flailing domestic agenda? Ri-i-i-i-ight.

    I voted for Clinton in '92, didn't in '96. I think he was a slimeball personally. But policy-wise, he was nowhere near as bad as our current President.
     
  24. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
    Cincilluminati
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    Obie got most of these, but....

    This was a Pappy Bush program before Clinton was elected.

    The Republicans and Ken Starr did bring false charges against him. How many felony convictions did they get, again? Rhymes with "zero."

    I can think of three thousand reasons why those weren't Wag the Dog attacks.

    By the way, since you're bringing up Clinton, I'm going to go right ahead and keep mentioning President Gore at every opportunity. As long as we're not over stuff, and all.
     

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