It's worth stating (as far as this thread goes) that the urge to change that rule (and this gets back to what Delaynomo said about my feelings on it, wayy earlier up this thread, is nothing to do with VAR. Technology is merely allowing us to measure where we (apparently) do not want to measure. By and large, as an audience of purists who care more about excitement as a primary driver, than notions of exact equality of ease of operation in aspects of defence and attack. basically, if the measurement type isn't wanted, then the impetus to change the rule exists......
That's what happened. The VAR didn't see something which caused him to alert the ref. Otherwise wouldn't he have... alerted the ref? So agree to disagree. So what should the VAR do here? Hold his own press conference, denounce Webb's statements about his job on this call? It's not within the VAR's duties to address his job performance to the media or fans.
United - Brighton: Rashford has been pretty dangerous all day, and closest he came to contributing a goal was taking the ball through the penalty box, cutting it back at the last moment, and Hojlund bungled it into the net. VAR check shows it went over the endline. Goal denied. Looked a good call to me.
Another one in 68th minute: Rashford makes a move on the edge of the box, Brighton defender clips his toes as he makes the move into the box, Rashford goes down. Ref didn't give it, VAR doesn't rule on things which happen outside the box... no pen. Ref should have probably given a free kick on edge of box, though.
“They’ve become obsessed with time wasting. Haven’t got a clue, not a clue.” SUFC boss Paul Heckingbottom goes on a huge rant about PL referees 😡 “The refs are ruining the game. They are killing it, absolutely ruining it.”❌ “They’ve become obsessed with time wasting. Haven’t got a clue, not a clue.”#SUFC boss Paul Heckingbottom goes on a huge rant about #PL referees 🔥 pic.twitter.com/J7UOWd8E0R— talkSPORT (@talkSPORT) September 16, 2023
Zero sympathy for them, time wasting for 20 minutes in that match. Get out of the prem... make room for someone who will at least give it a go week in week out.
Let's see if the powers that be come down hard on Heckingbottom for speaking out. If it had been Klopp saying this...............
Byeline, between the corner flag’s except for the 24 foot of goal line. The only time I’ve heard endline is in pointyball but carry on. This is America.
I've heard English use the term endline... I would never use it otherwise. Anyways, Brighton of all sides lose in Europa League: they were given 2 pens with the help of VAR, which were good calls and were scored by Pedro, but AEK still managed to score 3. So, good job VAR... but not good enough for them to take any points.
I forgot the prem is stupid compared to the rest of Europe, and they already have automated offside calls on the continent. Just noticed in Milan's first goal against HV today. Wasn't a close call... but nice to see the quick decision backed up by the graphic.
VAR rules out a goal for *checks notes*... Johnny Evans! Who somehow, for some reason, started today for Manchester United. His goal was ruled out because there was an attacker interfering with the Burnley keeper in an offside position when the corner was headed in by, again, Johnny Evans. Took a moment, ref checked the interferance at the monitor. Anyway. Good call. Thanks VAR.
NLD! Romero having a tough one for Spurs... OG to open scoring, and then VAR catches him clearly handling the ball immediately following a corner. Gives up the penalty, which Saka buries. But Spurs storm back right after! 2-2 in 57th min... entertaining match.
VAR check for Malo Gusto or whatever his name is during Chelsea - Villa... comes flying in with studs up into someone's shin, even through it wasn't terribly high VAR sends him off. Certainly looked like a defensible call to me, don't dive in fully off the ground with you studs up.
was a surprise. but I think the force of tackle was at play too. However - it happened to Chelsea. Shame.
Was a bad tackle no matter who... but yes, it's very unfortunate when it happens to such a class organization and fanbase isn't it. Down with Everton and Wolves, due to their embarrassing and pathetic floundering? Who could have predicted that? It's very, very upsetting.
Here's one that I thought was another bizarro of VAR... why were they spending so much energy measuring if the ball crossed the dead-ball line on the one of Newcastle's goals where Anthony Gordon kept it in play? Maybe it's a problem with myself and my optician, but I looked 5 times and each time - he (Gordon) flippin' handled the ball. Isn't that a foul for anyone but the keeper, everywhere on the field of play (except for a defender in his own penalty box) where review of intent, unavoidability, etc., comes in with regard to awarding penalties? So, why the heck didn;t they disallow it for an infraction by Gordon in the lead up??
Handball doesn't mean "the ball touched a player's hand"... it's more complicated than that. Since VAR only checks for attacking handball, and the rule for attacking handball is that if it's not done by the goalscorer, or if it isn't intentional, it doesn't rule out a goal. Ref judged that incident to be unintentional, which is pretty defensible IMO -- it bounced up and hit his hand, but Gordon knew nothing about it. Not intentional.
Only 8 minutes into this Leicester League Cup match, and there have been 2 decisions which could have impacted the scoreline that VAR could have "fixed"... if it were being used.
If that is the rule - it's a mind-knot! Other than this one, I don't think I've ever seen a play where if when they looked at the lead up and a ball was priorly handled by a team-mate in the middle of the park, they didn't ultimately call it as a handball in the manner you're suggesting they shouldn't. Given that (rationally) most midfield handballs are accidental (there's usually no real reason for doing it), one would have to then wonder why they are mostly called as fouls when spotted, as opposed to mostly not-called. (This is getting dangerously close to two interpretations of the same rule. One for after when a goal is subsequently involved. Another for if not after a goal.) We'll never know, because there's no way to analyze this, but I would reckon that if he had handled in exactly the same manner in the midfield, two passes prior to goal, this same handball would have gotten that goal disallowed. There's also the problem that if a ref did see that handball, he's have to be a genius to be certain in sudden real-time that it wasn't intentional, therefore he would be (IMO) honor bound to stop the play and call it as a hand-ball. Which would effectively stop any goal coming into being. Can't see them making too many decisions that are in opposition to that theory in real time.