Who's next?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Sport Billy, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. CrazyJ628

    CrazyJ628 Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    The center of the Earth
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    I think that's the hold up though. It's an open-air stadium and it's outside of downtown. Chase Field is downtown, has a retractable roof and could probably be renovated for the cost of a SSS.
     
  2. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    it kinda bears the signature of all the mistakes San Antonio made to ge honest. It’s Austin vs San Antonio redux , and Vegas is the Austin
     
  3. hipityhop

    hipityhop Member

    New Mexico United
    United States
    Jan 10, 1999
    Mission TX
    Club:
    SønderjyskE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    No way to rebrand this team... All they need is indoor stadium seating 25K and they are near the top of MLS. Let them in..
     
  4. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It bears ZERO resemblance. They are different markets, in different cities, in different states. MLS would take both as long as each city has an ownership group that has a plan that meets the criteria the league expects of its' new teams.
     
  5. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Its seems to me that MLS expansion committee is keeping a low profile due to the embarrassment of what happened in Sacramento. My guess is that they are doing their due diligence on the group (Phoenix, San Diego and Las Vegas). In addition, since two of the three leading candidates are located in desert climates, they maybe waiting to see the new cooling technology in action at the Qatar 2022 World Cup before signing off on either of them. As to the Phoenix ownership they seem to be completing the MLS expansion checklist under the radar.
     
  6. Brian in Boston

    Brian in Boston Member+

    Jun 17, 2004
    MA & CA, USA
    Except that the urban cores of Austin and San Antonio are situated 80 miles apart, while those of Las Vegas and Phoenix are separated by 300 miles.
     
  7. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Las Vegas kicked off in 110 degrees on Saturday. I'm amazed it was allowed. I'm amazed the players and fans survived.

    But the Phoenix MLS stadium is supposed to have special, magic, cooling juju I think.
     
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  8. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A look at the USL Championship & League One when developmental clubs pull out...

    EAST
    Atlantic
    1. Queensboro FC
    2. Charleston Battery
    3. Tampa Bay Rowdies
    4. Hartford Athletic
    5. Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    6. USL Buffalo
    7. USL Rhode Island
    USL League One
    1. Greenville Triumph
    2. Chattanooga Red Wolves
    3. South Georgia Tormenta
    4. North Carolina FC
    5. Richmond Kickers
    Dropped: Miami FC, Charlotte Independence

    MLS Developmental: New England Revolution II, Atlanta United II, New York Red Bulls II, Philadelphia Union II, Fort Lauderdale CF, Loudon United

    Central
    1. Memphis 901
    2. Birmingham Legion
    3. Indy Eleven
    4. Louisville City FC
    5. USL Des Moines
    USL League One
    1. Forward Madison
    2. Fort Wayne FC
    MLS Developmental: Toronto FC II

    WEST
    Pacific
    1. Sacramento Republic
    2. San Diego Loyal
    3. Phoenix Rising
    4. Las Vegas Lights
    5. Orange County SC
    6. Central Valley Fuego
    7. Oakland Roots
    8. Monterey Bay FC
    USL League One
    1. Central Valley Fuego
    2. USL Spokane
    Dropped: TBD* (Sacramento, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego)

    MLS developmental: Tacoma Defiance, LA Galaxy II


    Mountain-Frontier:
    1. New Mexico United
    2. San Antonio FC
    3. Oklahoma City Energy FC
    4. Colorado Springs Switchbacks
    5. FC Tulsa
    6. Rio Grande Valley FC Toros
    7. El Paso Locomotive
    USL League One
    1. Union Omaha
    2. FC Tucson
    3. Northern Colorado FC

    Dropped: Austin Bold

    MLS Developmental: North Texas SC, Sporting Kansas City II, Real Monarchs
     
  9. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now, with proposed expansion...


    EAST
    ATLANTIC:
    1. Queensboro FC
    2. Charleston Battery
    3. Tampa Bay Rowdies
    4. Hartford Athletic
    5. Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    6. USL Buffalo
    7. USL Rhode Island
    8. Greenville Triumph (promoted)
    9. Baltimore, MD*
    10. Jacksonville, FL*
    USL League One
    1. Chattanooga Red Wolves
    2. South Georgia Tormenta
    3. North Carolina FC
    4. Richmond Kickers
    5. Virginia Beach, VA*
    6. Rochester, NY*
    7. Greensboro, NC*
    8. Bradenton-Sarasota, FL*
    9. Asheville, NC*
    10. Harrisburg, PA*
    + USLC Expansion: Rochester, NY*; Greensboro, NC*

    ~promotion candidates: Greenville Triumph, Chattanooga Red Wolves, North Carolina FC, Richmond Kickers

    + USL1 Expansion: Knoxville, TN; Daytona, FL; Cape Coral, FL; West Palm Beach, FL; Gainesville, FL; Charlottesville, VA; Roanoke, VA; Athens, GA; Savannah, GA; Dekalb-Gwinnett County (Silverback Park), GA; Peachtree City, GA; Columbus, GA; Macon-Warner Robins, GA; Augusta, GA; Columbia, SC; Wilmington, NC; State College, PA; Scranton, PA; Lehigh Valley, PA; Portland, ME; Vermont, New Hampshire, Syracuse, NY; Albany, NY; New Haven, CT; Westchester-Rockland County, NY; Waterbury, CT; Annapolis, MD; Dover, DE, Trenton, NJ; Staten Island, NY; Long Island, NY; Fayetteville, NC; Johnson City; TN; Ricardo Silva Stadium (Miami FC); Elizabeth, NC (Charlotte Independence)

    Dropped: Miami FC, Charlotte Independence

    MLS Developmental: New England Revolution II, Atlanta United II, New York Red Bulls II, Philadelphia Union II, Fort Lauderdale CF, Loudon United


    CENTRAL:
    1. Memphis 901
    2. Birmingham Legion
    3. Indy Eleven
    4. Louisville City FC
    5. USL Des Moines
    6. Detroit, MI*
    7. New Orleans, LA*
    8. Cleveland, OH*
    9. Milwaukee, WI*
    10. Chicago, IL* (Bridgeview)
    USL League One
    1. Forward Madison
    2. Fort Wayne FC
    3. Grand Rapids, MI*
    4. Dayton, OH*
    5. Charleston, WV*
    6. Toledo, OH*
    7. Jackson, MS*
    8. Little Rock, AR*
    9. Lexington, KY*
    10. Mobile, AL*
    MLS Developmental: Toronto FC II

    +USLC Expansion/Promotion Candidates: Forward Madison, Grand Rapids, Dayton

    + USL1 Expansion: Lansing, MI; Baton Rouge, LA; Pensacola, FL; Tallahassee, FL, Montgomery, AL; Huntsville, AL, Biloxi, MS; Shreveport, LA; South Bend, IN; Evansville, IN; Peoria, IL, Champaign, IL; Springfield, IL; Rockford, IL, Green Bay, WI; Duluth, MN; Akron, OH; Bloomington, IN; Fargo, ND; Sioux Falls, SD; Clarksville, TN; Aurora, IL; Naperville, IL; Joliet; IL; Arlington Heights, IL; Kenosha, WI; Ann Arbor, MI; Kalamazoo, MI, Pontiac, MI; Springfield, MO; Columbia, MO; O’Fallon, MO; Cedar Rapids, IA

    WEST

    PACIFIC:
    1. Sacramento Republic
    2. San Diego Loyal
    3. Phoenix Rising
    4. Las Vegas Lights
    5. Orange County SC
    6. Central Valley Fuego
    7. Oakland Roots
    8. Monterey Bay FC
    9. Riverside-San Bernardino, CA*
    10. San Francisco, CA*
    11. Ventura County, CA* (expansion with Sacramento, Phoenix, San Diego, Las Vegas leave for MLS)
    USL League One
    1. Central Valley Fuego
    2. FC Tucson
    3. USL Spokane
    4. San Fernando Valley, CA*
    5. Long Beach, CA*
    6. Reno, NV*
    7. Santa Barbara, CA*
    8. Eugene, OR*
    9. Burbank-Glendale-Pasadena, CA*
    10. Bakersfield, CA*
    Dropped: TBD* (Sacramento, Phoenix, Las Vegas, San Diego)

    MLS developmental: Tacoma Defiance, LA Galaxy II

    +USLC Expansion/Promotion Candidates: Central Valley Fuego, Ventura County; Honolulu, HI

    +USL1 Expansion: San Rafael, CA; Stockton, CA; Victorville, CA; Flagstaff, AZ; Yuma, AZ; Modesto, CA; San Luis Obispo, CA; Fairfield, CA; Santa Rosa, CA; Anchorage, AK; Anaheim, CA; Gateway Cities, CA; West Hollywood, CA; Yakima, WA; Olympia, WA; Salem, OR; Everett, WA


    MOUNTAIN-FRONTIER:
    1. New Mexico United
    2. San Antonio FC
    3. Oklahoma City Energy FC
    4. Colorado Springs Switchbacks
    5. FC Tulsa
    6. Rio Grande Valley FC Toros
    7. El Paso Locomotive
    8. Union Omaha (promoted)
    9. Dallas-Fort Worth, TX*
    10. Boise, ID*
    USL League One
    1. Northern Colorado FC
    2. Wichita, KS*
    3. Waco, TX*
    4. Corpus Christi, TX*
    5. Laredo, TX*
    6. Lincoln, NE*
    7. The Woodlands, TX*
    8. Lubbock, TX*
    9. Midland-Odessa, TX*
    10. Billings, MT*
    Dropped: Austin Bold

    MLS Developmental: North Texas SC, Sporting Kansas City II, Real Monarchs

    +USLC Expansion: Waco, TX; Wichita, KS; Corpus Christi, TX

    + USL Expansion: Elroy, TX (Auston Bold FC); Topeka, KS; Plano, TX; Arlington, TX; Amarillo, TX; Nacagdoches, TX; Bryan-Collegestation, TX; Beaumont, TX, Tyler-Longview, TX; Sugarland-Pearland, TX; Atascocita-Pasadena-Baytown, TX; Abilene, TX; Killeen-Temple, TX; Garland-Mesquite, TX; Round Rock, TX; Cheyenne, WY; Helena, MT; Missoula, MT; Bozeman, MT; Provo, UT; Ogden; UT; Pueblo, CO; Las Cruces, NM; Overland Park, KS; Wichita Falls, TX; Texarkana, TX
     
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  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    If they pull out.

     
  11. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m betting that they will or will be forced to at some point. It seems like the good thing that USL-MSL had for awhile has run its course, whereas MLS will want more control of development and probably also not see their teams get obliterated, and USL teams will not want games against kids and with only 500 people in the stands as part of the norm too. Moreover, I think USL is moving towards, if I suspect correctly, the catch-all for the teams that don’t get into MLS. For example, the Pittsburgh’s, Birmingham’s, Albuquerque’s, etc. that probably won’t ever get into MLS but have the population and the fan support to support soccer if it’s done well enough. Besides, with ESPN+ and other media, I also suspect that the USL is going to want to move towards being more TV friendly.
     
  12. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I imagine it’ll be more than a year or so for it all to take in effect. If I was an organization, I’m betting on the sure thing and the surest thing tends to be the oldest thing. But at the end of the day, I expect it to break towards this way.
     
  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    One of the things that I hope we see next is more USL teams field MLS Next teams.
     
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  15. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ummm....why would Austin Bold drop out? They have no connection/affiliation with Austin FC.
     
  16. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Will they be able to sustain operations?
     
  17. Impactsupporter

    Impactsupporter New Member

    May 18, 2014
    Club:
    Montreal Impact

    Have you considered sending this to USL. This is elaborate and well done. But if this idea were to happen, will this affect NPSL, UPSL, and all the other USASA leagues and is there not a danger of cannibalization of other leagues??

    As the Impact have rebranded to CF Montreal, this will likely be one of my last posts as Impactsupporter, and I will probably have to apply under a new nickname for Bigsoccer soon, stay tuned.
     
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  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was a young team from Pawtucket.
     
  19. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would take some time for all this to be implemented, but I see that ultimately there being four different spheres of soccer in the country.... (1) “The Major Leagues” - MLS level... mostly as it stands now, (2) “The Minor Leagues” which will consist of a first tier (USLC) and second tier (USL1)... this will be mostly located in mid to large metro areas without MLS spread across the country, (3) MLS developmental level and MLS Next - with all the reserve teams joining what will be a u23 league that serves the first team. Hence, a u23, u18, u16, u14, u12, etc. (4) All the amateurs and collegiate.

    Of note, hope Montreal goes back to the Impact. Unfortunately, can’t say I’m a fan of the rebrand.
     
  20. Impactsupporter

    Impactsupporter New Member

    May 18, 2014
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Out of curiosity where do you see the NPSL, UPSL, various USASA regional leagues, do you think they will merge. And would you regard them as the 4th sphere of soccer ie amateur??
     
  21. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m not sure if they’ll merge... probably won’t for their own reasons.

    I see them as amateur, or semi-pro, at best.
     
  22. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be good to see UPSL and NPSL merge with promotion and relegation (which UPSL already has in some areas).

    I don't see anyone pushing for it though and every time you step up a level it increases travel costs and time commitments. Plus NPSL only has a 3 month season.
     
  23. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why are you all talking about the USL in a MLS expansion thread? I think you need to take this discussion to the proper thread within the USL.
     
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  24. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Blame the moderator!!
     
  25. footballfantatic

    Mar 27, 2008
    Ontario, California
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A strong second division only strengthens the top. I think this talk is relevant, but maybe not totally applicable for MLS expansion.
     
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