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Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by Sport Billy, Jan 15, 2019.

  1. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS will never go to the European FIFA calendar.
     
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  2. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Perhaps. But more warm weather games mean the league can start earlier without hurting attendance as much.

    Aside from geographical balance/scope with more teams in the SE, Texas, & SW, the scheduling thing is real.

    Legit warm = 8. Miami, Orlando, LAG, LAFC, Houston, ATL (dome), VAN (dome), Austin.

    Warmish: (5). Dallas, Sacramento, Charlotte, Nashville, San Jose.

    Those 13 have average highs in the 60s (or higher). Phoenix & Vegas (or SD) would push it to 15/32.

    Throw in DC, Portland, & Seattle, and I think the cold weather home games can be minimized. And in July/August flip it a bit.
     
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  3. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    Jan 31, 2017

    I've looked this up before, St. Louis, Cincinnati & DC have almost identical temperature throughout the year.
    Dec-Feb, DC is 5-7 degrees colder than Seattle / Portland. Mid 30's vs. Lower 40's. Don't know that i'd want to start the season in that weather.

    EDIT: to add KC is similiar as well.
     
  4. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Montreal seems to have an option to use their Olympic dome for early season games.
     
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  5. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After Portland & Seattle, DC is the next warmest spot, though not by much.

    No one is playing Dec/Feb. Avg high for DC in March is 56. Low was 38. Way doable. Still a snow risk early (unlike Port/Sea).

    Montreal, Toronto, NE, Minny, Denver, Columbus. Nightime in early March can easily by snow. Or worse, 35 & rain.
     
  6. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The earliest the MLS season will start is the week after the Super Bowl for week one. This season they are starting Feb 29th and they could move that up by 3 weeks. That takes the Cup game to early to mid Oct. The goal would be avoid as much of the NFL and college football seasons as possible.
     
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  7. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  8. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True dat. There have been Feb starts before. And if Garber gets this asinine mid-season Mex thing, they will need more room. Or they could start earlier & play 36 games.
     
  9. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    Jan 31, 2017
    Was replying to your post re: temperatures, and the notion put forth by redcard(?) Of going to a fifa calendar. Just pointing out that a wide swath of cities all have similar weather that is not conducive to a Aug-May calendar.
     
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  10. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    2/5 is the deadline for Las Vegas City Council to negotiate with the prospective ownership group to buy the Lights and present a stadium project funding proposal for the Cashman area. It’s specific to Las Vegas and backdates to June. It was extended from December. Not an MLS deadline.
     
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  11. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #961 falvo, Jan 22, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2020
    I don't believe they ever will either. As I had posted many times on the boards though, I wouldn't mind seeing the league begin in the bye week before the Super Bowl (I.E this weekend) and maybe having the season end in September or October. It could help with transfers and it wouldn't really be all that conflicting with too many sports. You can have the cold weather teams either play indoors at home or on the road in hotter climates with bye weeks here and there. European teams start play in August and September, play 2-3 games and then take national team bye weeks during warmer or the first three months of the season so I'm sure MLS could do the same thing on an opposite schedule. It seems to me, they are already doing that starting on February 29th 2020.
     
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  12. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    Sitting here in Cincinnati on the 22nd of January with a low of 14 and a high of 41, my first thought is why hasn't it snowed yet this winter? No snow likely before February 1. A little more CO2, and maybe we can go to the fifa calendar .

    Anyhow, the crazy talk is the suggestion that a team is going to play a game in a stadium that isn't theirs just because it's cold outside. That's just a little more crazy than starting the season with a four or six game road trip.

    Weather here in March isn't optimal, but the normal worst case is 40F and rain. It's annoying, London weather. Maybe a 3 pm start like in London might help. Anyhow, it's likely our first home game won't be on the first day of the season. Mid March is more reliable. The Reds opening day us normally pretty nice.

    The other side of the coin, aside from Thanksgiving weekend (my daughter played in a tournament for a couple of years that weekend, and it was always cold and rainy... The boys tournament the following weekend was always sunny and warm) it's typically pretty decent until around Christmas.

    2015 MLS Cup in Columbus was decent weather... Upper 40s, partly cloudy. So, for the most part, March to December is fine.
     
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  13. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Done by design. Either Vegas ownership can handle a much heftier expansion fee than say Sacramento or stl. If it’s a 500 billion give it take entry and they pony up, mls ain’t saying no

    also more here
    https://www.fox5vegas.com/sports/pu...cle_0e73a886-3b4b-11ea-9ac5-e35bd3da4885.html
     
  14. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Heck no. I was almost laughing at the idea that low 40's/high 30s is too cold. We play in that every year until May (the frost date here is May 15). MLS always so kindly gives us 6-8 home games by then.

    If you tried to play through the winter, it would be MUCH colder. Hell, it was 15 the other night. That is insane.

    However, what you can do with more warm weather cities is move stuff up a bit, schedule with climate in mind, and play more midweek, you can come pretty close to observing most FIFA dates instead. We have been moving in that direction.
     
  15. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    If teams played weekly, the northern teams would have their first 6 games or so on the road. That's too many.
     
  16. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #966 falvo, Jan 23, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2020
    Well maybe but you could also work it so they play 2 or 3 games on the road and have a few or even one bye week.. That's 4-5 weeks right there.

    The Earthquakes last year had a 2 & 1/2 bye week in June, a 1 & 1/2 bye in September along with two 3 road trips during August and September, during he hotter months of the year.

    Considering they lost all those games on the road trips and missed the playoffs because of it, I don't see how that is much better.
     
  17. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They could always play 1-2 in the cold too.
     
  18. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Updated...

    MAJOR LEAGUE SOCCER
    West:
    1. LA Galaxy
    2. Los Angeles FC
    3. San Jose Earthquakes
    4. Sacramento Republic
    5. Seattle Sounders
    6. Portland Timbers
    7. Vancouver Whitecaps
    8. Real Salt Lake
    9. Colorado Rapids
    10. Sporting Kansas City
    11. Minnesota United
    12. FC Dallas
    13. Houston Dyanmo
    14. Austin FC
    15. Las Vegas Lights [Promoted]
    16. Phoenix Rising [Promoted]
    17. San Diego Loyal SC [Promoted]
    18. Oklahoma City Energy FC [Promoted]

    East:
    1. Atlanta United
    2. Inter Miami
    3. Nashville SC
    4. Charlotte
    5. Orlando City SC
    6. Columbus Crew
    7. FC Cincinnati
    8. Toronto FC
    9. Montreal Impact
    10. New York Red Bulls
    11. New York City FC
    12. New England Revolution
    13. Philadelphia Union
    14. DC United
    15. Chicago Fire
    16. Saint Louis
    17. Indy Eleven [Promoted]
    18. Detroit [Expansion]

    USL Championship
    West:
    1. El Paso Locomotive
    2. Reno 1861
    3. New Mexico United
    4. Oakland
    5. Santa Barbara [Expansion]
    6. Riverside/Inland Empire [Expansion]
    7. Fresno [Expansion]
    8. Boise [Expansion]
    9. Bakersfield [Expansion]
    10. Stockton [Expansion]
    East:
    1. San Antonio FC
    2. Tulsa Roughnecks
    3. Louisville City FC
    4. Memphis 901 FC
    5. Union Omaha
    6. Des Moines
    7. Milwaukee [Expansion]
    8. Cleveland [Expansion]
    9. Wichita [Expansion]
    10. Dayton [Expansion]
    North:
    1. Hartford Athletic
    2. Pittsburgh Riverhounds SC
    3. Grand Rapids
    4. Buffalo
    5. Rhode Island
    6. Rochester Rhinos [Promoted]
    7. Hampton Roads [Expansion]
    8. Baltimore [Expansion]
    9. Worcester [Expansion]
    10. Syracuse [Expansion]
    South:
    1. Birmingham Legion FC
    2. Charleston Battery
    3. Raleigh FC (North Carolina FC)
    4. Tampa Bay Rowdies
    5. Fort Lauderdale Strikers (Miami FC)
    6. Jacksonville
    7. Greenville Triumph [Promoted]
    8. Chattanooga Red Wolves [Promoted]
    9. New Orleans [Expansion]
    10. Greensboro [Expansion]
    USL League One:
    West:
    1. Colorado Springs Switchbacks
    2. LA Galaxy 2
    3. Orange County SC
    4. Portland Timbers 2
    5. Tacoma Defiance
    6. Real Monarchs FC
    7. Sacramento Republic FC 2
    8. FC Tucson
    9. San Diego 2 (Chula Vista)
    10. Ventura County [Expansion]
    East:
    1. Saint Louis FC
    2. Austin Bold FC
    3. Rio Grande Valley Toros FC
    4. Chicago USL
    5. Forward Madison FC
    6. North Texas SC
    7. Toronto FC 2
    8. Midland-Odessa [Expansion]
    9. Corpus Christi [Expansion]
    10. Little Rock [Expansion]
    North:
    1. Loudon United FC
    2. New York Red Bulls 2
    3. Philadelphia Union 2
    4. Queensboro FC
    5. NE Revolution 2
    6. Richmond Kickers
    7. Harrisburg FC [Expansion]
    8. Burlington [Expansion]
    9. Manchester [Expansion]
    10. Staten Island Expansion]
    South:
    1. Charlotte Independence
    2. Atlanta United 2
    3. Inter Miami FC 2
    4. South Georgia Tormenta
    5. Orlando City 2
    6. Jackson [Expansion]
    7. Asheville [Expansion]
    8. Cape Coral [Expansion]
    9. Bradenton [Expansion]
    10. Wilmington [Expansion]
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    When is Oakland coming in to the USL?
     
  20. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Club:
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2021 I think, marketed as East Bay.
     
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  21. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You don't get that draconian about it. Northern teams still get home games in March/April or early May. But you do it less. Columbus had, I believe, 8 home matches in that timeframe last year. That is insane.

    Instead of 8, try 3-4.
     
  22. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas


     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #974 falvo, Jan 31, 2020
    Last edited: Jan 31, 2020
    I was standing in the center circle at noon at the Earthquakes stadium on Wednesday January 22nd , 2020 at a company function. Even though it rained a little the night before and the field was a little e soggy, the sun on the field was pretty warm and the weather was perfect to play soccer in.

    If they can’t start the week before the Super Bowl, they can probably start the week after and have cold weather teams play 3 games on the road, take a bye week and start playing home games in March. Seems to me that is what they are doing already. FC Cincinnati for example, is playing two different 3 game road trips in May and July. I don't see how that is better.
     
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  24. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    31 is an awkward number for a league. How did the NHL handle it?
     
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