Who would be MLS' new club?

Discussion in 'MLS: Expansion' started by SteveUSSF_ref8, Mar 12, 2019.


Who would be the best choice to become Major League Soccer's next club?

Poll closed Mar 21, 2019.
  1. St. Louis, MO

  2. Sacramento, CA

Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. Club25Football

    Club25Football New Member

    Philadelphia Union
    Mar 18, 2019
    Another California team? Yeah, no, I'd take St. Louis to give Kansas City a nice inter-state derby.
  3. golers

    golers Member

    Columbus Crew SC
    United States
    Feb 19, 2018
    How I would rate the next cities to join MLS..

    The legit contenders:
    ▪︎ Sacramento
    ▪︎ Phoenix
    ▪︎ St. Louis

    The outsiders:
    ▪︎ San Diego
    ▪︎ Indianapolis
    ▪︎ Detroit

    The unlikely cities:
    ▪︎ San Antonio
    ▪︎ Louisville

    I could (most likely) be wrong but I'd love to what others think, especially fans in these cities.
  4. CharlottetownFC

    Sep 2, 2015
    I personally believe the Carolinas and Vegas would be about your "Outsiders" but beneath your "contenders". That would assume we go past 28. I believe StL gets the 28th spot but Sac gets 29th (either immediately or within the year). 30 is where PHX/Car/LV would fall in (going off of Garbers recent comments). San Diego would need an investor and I'm understanding Indianapolis to be a Longshot while Detroit is considered dead (for now?).
  5. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would make it the closest city to Chicago.
  6. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston Dynamo
    Cincinnati is almost exactly the same driving distance as St. Louis from Chicago. As the crow flies Cincinnati is slightly closer.
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  7. firefan2001

    firefan2001 Member+

    Dec 27, 2000
    Oswego, Illinois
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bridgeview to St. Louis = 286 miles
    Bridegview to Cincinnati = 298 miles

    So depending where the St. Louis stadium is built, St. Louis is 2 miles closer.;)
  8. waltlantz

    waltlantz Member

    Jul 6, 2010
    No way to know.

    They both are equally good.

    My money is on which ever one they think could best bolster their media rights in the run up to negotiation on a post 2022 media deal.

    So I guess, Sac? They are a sure thing.

    No doubt STL would kill it with some strong owners and front office as well tho.
  9. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think Sac can be ready to go faster, so I would give it to them.
    2020: Nash & Miami
    2021: Austin & Sac

    Then they can go ahead & announce plans to go to 30 in 2022 or 2023. With St. Louis as #29.

    Then Phoenix, Detroit, SD, Indy, SA, Raleigh, Charlotte, Vegas, & Louisville can fight for #30.

    Then MLS can announce plans for 32.
  10. Hoosier388

    Hoosier388 New Member

    Mar 21, 2016
    Chicago Fire
    #10 Hoosier388, Apr 23, 2019
    Last edited: Apr 23, 2019
    Yesterday The Indystar reported this. Having a team in Indy just got a bit more likely. The Indiana senate voted 44-4 to keep the Indiana Pacers in town for another 25 years and find ways to pay for a new $550 million soccer stadium for the Indy Eleven. Still a long ways to go but this should help if the governor signs this bill.
    The link to the article was posted Monday, April 22nd 2019 on the newspapers Facebook page if anyone wants to read it.
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  11. antnee7898

    antnee7898 Member

    Oct 19, 2007
    South Houston, TX
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Would love to see Indy 11 over Phoenix.


    In this article, the writer stated that some believe Indy in MLS would split fans enough to saturate the area, area being the mid west. What do you think?

    Here's another article
  12. unitedfc

    unitedfc Member

    May 31, 2016
    #12 unitedfc, Oct 8, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 8, 2019
    Great to see that the US and Canada will soon have 96 professional soccer teams. That will be even more than the 92 professional soccer teams in the English league system.

    28 first-tier clubs:

    Atlanta United
    Chicago Fire
    FC Cincinnati
    Columbus Crew
    DC United
    Impact de Montréal
    New England Revolution
    Red Bull New York
    Orlando City
    Philadelphia Union
    Toronto FC
    Colorado Rapids
    FC Dallas
    Houston Dynamo
    LA Galaxy
    Minnesota United
    Portland Timbers
    Real Salt Lake
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Seattle Sounders
    Sporting Kansas City
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Inter Miami
    Nashville SC
    Austin FC
    St. Louis FC

    36 second-tier clubs:

    Atlanta United 2
    Bethlehem Steel
    Birmingham Legion
    Charleston Battery
    Charlotte Independence
    Hartford Athletic
    Indy Eleven
    Loudoun United
    Louisville City
    Memphis 901
    Red Bull New York II
    North Carolina FC
    Ottawa Fury
    Pittsburgh Riverhounds
    Swope Park Rangers
    Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Austin Bold
    Colorado Springs Switchbacks
    El Paso Locomotive
    Fresno FC
    LA Galaxy II
    Las Vegas Lights
    New Mexico United
    Oklahoma City Energy
    Orange County
    Phoenix Rising
    Portland Timbers 2
    Real Monarchs
    Reno 1868
    Rio Grande Valley
    Sacramento Republic
    San Antonio FC
    Tacoma Defiance
    Tulsa Roughnecks
    San Diego 1904
    Oakland Roots

    25 third-tier clubs:

    Atlanta SC
    California United Strikers
    Los Angeles Force
    Miami FC
    Stumptown Athletic
    AC Connecticut
    Providence City
    Chattanooga FC
    Detroit City
    Michigan Stars
    Philadelphia Fury
    Chattanooga Red Wolves
    Forward Madison
    Greenville Triumph
    Lansing Ignite
    North Texas
    Orlando City B
    Richmond Kickers
    South Georgia Tormenta
    Toronto FC II
    FC Tucson
    Penn FC
    Union Omaha
    New England Revolution II
    Rochester Rhinos

    7 Canadian Premier League clubs:

    FC Edmonton
    Forge FC
    HFC Wanderers
  13. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually the Canadian Premier clubs are consider first division clubs by the CSA.
  14. DCW531

    DCW531 Member

    City SC
    Jan 31, 2017
    St. Louis, MO
    To put that comparison in a different perspective.. (yes, i had some time and did the math;) )

    England and Wales has 58,744,400 people, and cover 58,324 sq mi.
    US and Canada have 364,769,537 people, and cover 7,651,842 sq mi.

    If we had the same people/team density the US/CAN would have 571 teams (in div 1-4)
    If we had the same area/team density the US/CAN would have a staggering 12,070 teams.

    Just some totally useless facts for your Tuesday morning.
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  15. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    me too
    midwest team with an indoor option for the early spring
    with plans for an outdoor SSS too
    and a NFL relationship (which Garber luvs).
  16. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The midwest is undersarurated with teams. Just looking at 2 mil+ populations without a team (CSAs), the midwest has the most:

    Midwest (5): Detroit, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Indianapolis, Milwaukee.

    Southwest (4): Phoenix, San Diego, San Antonio, Las Vegas.

    Southeast (3): Tampa Bay, Charlotte, Raleigh.

    Unless you split SF/SJ, DC/Balt, or want a team in Puerto Rico, that is the list. Or you could dip under 2 mil (NO, OKC, Memphis, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Louisville, Tulsa, etc).
  17. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So looking at this list.....there aren't any MUST HAVE cities left. These are all nice to have, but not necessary. None of those cities really move the needle commercially, media or sponsorship wise. Maybe Vegas does, and even that is a big maybe. Possibly Charlotte does with all of the financial companies centered there?
  18. TheRealBilbo

    TheRealBilbo Member+

    Apr 5, 2016
    So, of the cities that currently have teams, which would fall into your category of 'must have?'

    I've got New York, Boston, DC, Atlanta, Miami, Chicago, Minneapolis, Dallas, LA and maybe Seattle.

    The rest of the cities that currently have teams could be interchanged with one's on the list of cities without teams.

    Did I miss any Must Have cities that currently have teams?
  19. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Must haves:

    New York
    Los Angeles
    Boston (New England)
    Washington DC
    Minneapolis - St. Paul

    After that, most cities are nice to have but not need to have.

    *Since MLS is in Canada, if you're going to be in the great white north, you HAVE to be in Toronto.
  20. VBCity72

    VBCity72 Member+

    Aug 17, 2014
    Sunny San Diego
    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You guys are overestimating. The only must haves are:

    New York - largest city
    Los Angeles - largest west coast city
    Miami - gateway to Latin America
    Chicago - large, world known city
    Toronto - largest Canadian city

    Maybe add DC because it's the capital and Boston and Philly because it's an old, well known city around the world. That's it. People overestimate how well known huge cities like Minneapolis and Atlanta are outside of America. Atlanta has a leg up because of the Olympics though.

    For soccer, where a lot of your roster will consist of foreigners, name recognition means something. You ask some kid from China or Nigeria or Uruguay what they would think of playing for Minnesota United and they would look at you funny.

    Actually Las Vegas and Orlando are probably two others that would be close. Maybe not must haves but definitely foreigners would know the names and would be more likely to go because of it.

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