Who will emerge as the leading superpower of the twenty first century?

AFCA · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by mannyfreshstunna

2. The JSF can not compete in air to air combat with the supercarrier standby's. The JSF is a drastic improvement of the aging harrier, but it can still only go about mach 1.4. The f/A-18 is capable of mach 1.8 and the f-14 is known to go around mach 2.4. Besides, the tomcat can use it's radar to spot a target (up to six at a time) 30 miles out and launch a fire and forget missile. The JSF was not designed to be an air superiorty fighter. It is a close support airplane capable of the speed of sound, and it can hold it's own in a dogfight. A plane that was designed to do everything willnot defear a plane that was designed to take out intruders before they were even seen. The f-14 is an air superiorty fighter. The JSF is multirole.

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JSF is crap. But mach 1.4 or 2.4 really won't matter in a dogfight. When it comes to combat high speed capability is irrelevant.

Demosthenes · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by BenReilly
Keller knows full well that the American educational system as a whole is garbage. I'm surprised nobody has called him on this.
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Anybody know why they "recentered" the SAT back in 1994?

mannyfreshstunna · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by AFCA
JSF is crap. But mach 1.4 or 2.4 really won't matter in a dogfight. When it comes to combat high speed capability is irrelevant.
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correct, which makes the tomcat's ability to destroy targets before it is seen a huge advantage.

Karl K · Sep 22, 2003

Originally posted by BenReilly
Keller knows full well that the American educational system as a whole is garbage. I'm surprised nobody has called him on this.
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"As a whole"...."garbage"

Yeah, right...

Of course, that would be a good explanation for YOU...but then again, I bet in class you had a sudden onset of narcolepsy...

Karl K · Sep 22, 2003

Let's see O'Reilly -- wait, excuse me, Reilly -- thinks our educational system is garbage....

Verybdog thinks all the foreigners are coming over here to learn how to be bullies...

Tell you what guys. Why don't you just head over to say...I dunno... Belgium.

Clearly you don't think much of things here, and clearly you don't think much of this country.

Why are you here then? Why??

Go away. Leave. Get thee behind me. Adios. Bye Bye. Sayonara.

Whatever. Just get out. Don't come back. You don't want to be here, most of us don't want you.

Leave, scoot, scram, skedaddle, exit stage right, see ya!

BenReilly · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by Karl Keller
"As a whole"...."garbage"

Yeah, right...

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Of coure I'm right (and you know it). That's precisely why you focused on higher education because you know that's the only educational area where America is competent.

BenReilly · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by Karl Keller

Tell you what guys. Why don't you just head over to say...I dunno... Belgium.

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Belgium is actually a great place to live. Have you been there? I didn't think so.

fishbiproduct · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by Karl Keller
The sky is falling!!!! The sky is falling!!!!

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Great post.

Sardinia · Sep 23, 2003

I guess when you talked about JSF you meant eurofighter typhoon... not so bad as you paint it.

http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/

http://www.eurofighter.com/

Welcome to Eurofighter Typhoon, the world's most capable and dynamic swing-role combat aircraft! Developed by Germany, Italy, Spain and the UK, the Eurofighter Typhoon will fulfil Air Force requirements well into the mid-21st Century. The aircraft is in full production and, having achieved Type Acceptance, the first of the 620 Eurofighter Typhoons planned for the four Partner Nations will be delivered in 2003.
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BenReilly · Sep 23, 2003

We can make a warmonger out of Sardinia yet!

AFCA · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by Sardinia
I guess when you talked about JSF you meant eurofighter typhoon... not so bad as you paint it.

http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/

http://www.eurofighter.com/
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Not the same.

Sardinia · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by BenReilly
We can make a warmonger out of Sardinia yet!
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War is cool!

You know if you usually only watch documentaries on tv (and soccer matches) it happens you are forced to see also those ones talking about high-tech systems to kill many.

It's hard when you have to choose between the usual boring crocodile doc with some australian, god knows why, jumping over a croc or some entertaining natural catastrophe (usually tornadoes, sometimes earthquakes, rarely floods)...

Ah Ben, why americans like so much catastrophes?
Too little to fear for around?

Make a joint study with bowling for columbine.

Which level of terror alert these days?

It seems as if your beautiful admin is getting lazy... some more fantasy terror strike warnings to keep you in shape is needed.

I suggest a new kind of menace, spread the notion that islamic terrorists have planned to conduct individual strikes against ppl sitting in their toilet, they will jump out from the wc and boom.
All this just to take you away your freedom even while evacuating.

Sildegil · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by argentine soccer fan
Here are the countries that historically I think we might have considered to be 'top dog' in previous centuries:

15th Century: Italy
16th Century: Spain
17th Century: France
18th Century: England
19th Century: Germany
20th Century: United States

So, will the US repeat or will we have a new champ? Make your choice.
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I dont want to be harsh but that is bullsh!t.

For 1 thousand year before 20th Century, the power have been shared ONLY between France and England in term of military, economical and political influence.

Spain, Portugal and Holland colonized a lot and for the 2 first sooner than anyone in Europe. But still, their "power" in Europe was much still lower than France's or England's.

Italy had a century of great art influence. I have a very consideration for art, as most of us should have, but Italy wasnt exactly a world power.

Germany became strong and influent only at the end of the 19th century.

Sardinia · Sep 23, 2003

Re: Re: Who will emerge as the leading superpower of the twenty first century?

Originally posted by Sildegil
Italy had a century of great art influence. I have a very consideration for art, as most of us should have, but Italy wasnt exactly a world power.

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Of course, it didn't even exist a united Italy.

Anyway... it is someway partially true.

http://www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/history/genhist/part-5chapter14.html

RISE OF THE ITALIAN CITY-REPUBLICS.--The Italian cities were the first to rise to power and importance. Several things conspired to secure their early and rapid development, but the main cause of their prosperity was their trade with the East, and the enormous impulse given to this commerce by the Crusades.

With wealth came power, and all the chief Italian cities became distinct, self-governing states, with just a nominal dependence upon the pope or the emperor. Towards the close of the thirteenth century, Northern and Central Italy was divided among about two hundred contentious little city- republics. Italy had become another Greece.

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VENICE.--Venice, the most celebrated of the Italian republics, had its beginnings in the fifth century, in the rude huts of some refugees who fled out into the marshes of the Adriatic to escape the fury of the Huns of Attila (see p. 346). Conquests and negotiations gradually extended the possessions of the island-city until she came to control the coasts and waters of the Eastern Mediterranean in much the same way that Carthage had mastery of the Western Mediterranean at the time of the First Punic War. Even before the Crusades her trade with the East was very extensive, and by those expeditions was expanded into enormous proportions.

Venice was at the height of her power during the thirteenth, fourteenth, and fifteenth centuries. Her supremacy on the sea was celebrated each year by the brilliant ceremony of "Wedding the Adriatic," by the dropping of a ring into the sea.

The decline of Venice dates from the fifteenth century.

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GENOA.--Genoa, on the western coast of Italy, was the most formidable commercial rival of Venice. The period of her greatest prosperity dates from the recapture of Constantinople from the Latins by the Greeks in 1261; for the Genoese had assisted the Greek princes in the recovery of their throne, and as a reward were shown commercial favors by the Greek emperors.

The jealousy with which the Venetians regarded the prosperity of the Genoese led to oft-renewed war between the two rival republics. For nearly two centuries their hostile fleets contended, as did the navies of Rome and Carthage during the First Punic War, for the supremacy of the sea.

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FLORENCE.--Florence, although shut out, by her inland location upon the Arno, from engaging in those naval enterprises that conferred wealth and importance upon the coast cities of Venice and Genoa, became, notwithstanding, through the skill, industry, enterprise, and genius of her citizens, the great manufacturing, financial, literary, and art centre of the Middle Ages. The list of her illustrious citizens, of her poets, statesmen, historians, architects, sculptors, and painters, is more extended than that of any other city of mediæval times; and indeed, as respects the number of her great men, Florence is perhaps unrivalled by any city, excepting Athens, of the ancient or the modern world. [Footnote: In her long roll of fame we find the names of Dante, Petrarch, Boccaccio, Macchiavelli, Michael Angelo, Leonardo da Vinci, Galileo, Amerigo Vespucci, and the Medici.]
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AFCA · Sep 23, 2003

Re: Re: Who will emerge as the leading superpower of the twenty first century?

Originally posted by Sildegil
I dont want to be harsh but that is bullsh!t.

For 1 thousand year before 20th Century, the power have been shared ONLY between France and England in term of military, economical and political influence.

Spain, Portugal and Holland colonized a lot and for the 2 first sooner than anyone in Europe. But still, their "power" in Europe was much still lower than France's or England's.

Italy had a century of great art influence. I have a very consideration for art, as most of us should have, but Italy wasnt exactly a world power.

Germany became strong and influent only at the end of the 19th century.
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We've had (a) warship(s) sailing up the Thames twice. Worldpower enough for me

Demosthenes · Sep 23, 2003

The leading superpower of the 21st century will be x-ray vision. Trust me on this one.

Milos · Sep 23, 2003

Originally posted by AFCA
We've had (a) warship(s) sailing up the Thames twice. Worldpower enough for me
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Do you want your dutch bricks back now. I hear a lot of you settled in Norwich.

monop_poly · Sep 23, 2003

Is Chelsea FC one of the optional answers?

AFCA · Sep 24, 2003

Originally posted by Milos
Do you want your dutch bricks back now. I hear a lot of you settled in Norwich.
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I might be missing a good joke here, but I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say