Who will be the first super club?

Discussion in 'MLS: Clubs' started by jd6885, Nov 7, 2007.

  1. jd6885

    jd6885 Member

    Jun 30, 2001
    Tacoma
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which current MLS team will likely be the first MLS Super Club?
     
  2. koolkeith13

    koolkeith13 Member

    Jun 14, 2007
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Seattle Sounders. :D
     
  3. NebraskaAddick

    Aug 26, 2005
    Omaha, NE
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You'll never see one, because the salary cap dictates all MLS clubs must be deficient in some way.
     
  4. jd6885

    jd6885 Member

    Jun 30, 2001
    Tacoma
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd think the salary cap will be considerably higher in the coming years. Are there not salary caps in other major American sports? And aren't there super clubs in those sports?
     
  5. durant0s

    durant0s Member

    Mar 14, 2007
    Klein, TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If its not already ovbious, the Dynamo are one. Including thier stats in San Jose, this team has won 4 MLS Cups in the last seven seaons.
     
  6. Razcle

    Razcle New Member

    May 18, 2007
    Waterloo
    HAahaha....as good as Houston is/was in recent years....Winning the MLS a bunch of times doesn't make you a superclub...you need to get out in the world and win against the other leagues if you want to be a super club. The Dynamo do have the ability to go further in international competition, however they have a long way to go before super-club can be used in the same sentence as their name.
     
  7. koolkeith13

    koolkeith13 Member

    Jun 14, 2007
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    MLS also needs to bloody well take the international tourneys seriously. That aspect is really making my blood boil.

    I don't understand their stance in US Open Cup either. Come on here! If there is hardware on the line, go get it!
     
  8. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't we already have two, or arguably, three.

    DC and LA both have won the CONCACAF Champions Cup. DC with four MLS titles (and a slew of Supporter's Shields). LA with two (and more appearances).

    Also, as mentioned above, SJ/Houston has four of the last 7.
     
  9. Schwalker

    Schwalker New Member

    Apr 15, 2007
    Gelsenkirchen/Finja
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Without looking at the alternatives per se I boldly states that the first MLS superclub must fullfill these criteria...;)

    1) Attractive place to live.
    2) Lucrative sponsorship deals.
    3) A stadium of their own.
    4) A large and passionate fanbase.
    5) Constantly a top team.

    The reasons are that the salary cap makes the area even more important as MLS can´t just offer more money, sponsorship deals are together with having a stadium of their own a must for financial stability apparently and finally the fans must be there to create a buzz around the team.
    As for being a top team I shouldn´t have to explain..or?

    Does any MLS teams live up to this...not yet I think but several might aspire to in the future.
    LAG or RBNY for example but don´t forget about Chigago, DCU or Houston.
     
  10. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    not sure but with the salary cap when one becomes a super club the others wont be far away
     
  11. Nerroth

    Nerroth Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Ontario, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    While I would love to say Toronto FC, I'll be more realistic and say DC United.


    Not only have they got an unmatched domestic record, they have been at the vanguard of the MLS, in terms of competing and succeeding in international competitions.

    Now, if only they could do better than they did in the Sulamericana last year, and maybe aim for a potential shot at a Libertadores berth, then things could et really interesting...

    ...that said, if they can win the CCC and/or SuperLiga this year, and go on to do well at the Club World Cup in December and acquit themselves well in the CCL, maybe CONMEBOL might open a berth for them?
     
  12. greekchampion04

    greekchampion04 Member+

    Apr 2, 2006
    Richmond, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    DC United:
    1) Nations Capital, best public schools in the nation (in the burbs)
    2) Will have a huuuuuge sponsor deal this year (probably Verizon)
    3) Should have a stadium but the mayor has a vandetta against us, but RFK is ours only now
    4) best fanbase in MLS
    5) always wins supporter's shield, 4 mls cups, various international trophies

    LA Galaxy:
    1) LA... really? who wants to live there?
    2) herbalife
    3) kind of-- but another MLS team plays there too
    4) season tickets down 15%
    5) clearly not a top team in mls, forget internationally

    Chicago Fire:
    1) Too damn cold during the winter
    2) Best Buy
    3) yes
    4) decent fan base
    5) not really a "top team"

    NY Redbull:
    1) "greatest city in the world"--- if they were actually in new york
    2) their owner is their sponsor
    3) yes
    4) no fans what soever
    5) have never won anything

    Houston Dynamo
    1) really not a great city
    2) amigo energy
    3) no
    4) decent fan base
    5) 4 mls cups, nothing else. one of MLS' top teams
     
  13. Nerroth

    Nerroth Member

    Feb 9, 2008
    Ontario, Canada
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Back to TFC:

    1) Toronto is a fine city to live in, with more going on than any other English-speaking city in Canada - though comparing it to magnificent Montréal is another matter entirely!
    2) Does the Bank of Montréal count? Um...
    3) BMO Field - ah, there's where that Bank thing might help! Well, and the City of Toronto, too.
    4) Two season ticket sell-outs in a row, a packed crowd in 07 and hopefully for 08, and a pretty decent travelling support.
    5) Well, um... eh, heh heh heh.
    We'll have to get back to you on that one.


    Assuming that T.O can get a winning team together some time this century, they might be in for a shot - but as I said in my previous post, I'd sooner bet on D.C. United getting to 'superclub' status first.
     
  14. nickknx865

    nickknx865 New Member

    Apr 20, 2007
    Knoxville, Tennessee
    I think it'll be DC United
     
  15. othakidfrmaltalomahs

    Jan 25, 2008
    RC/ALTA LOMA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    dc will get there before anyone.....
    not a dc fan but i would like to see a powerhouse that one of the lower teams can beat for some upside for their season :D....
     
  16. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    from how dominent dc was early on you could almost say that they were a super club. have they ever even missed the playoffs??
     
  17. peabrainedidiot

    peabrainedidiot New Member

    Nov 21, 2005
    wessagussett
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    LA dude. Lalas already said so.:rolleyes:

    wait, before that, he said metro/RB was a superclub:confused:



    crap, now I don't know:confused:
     
  18. Nacional Tijuana

    Nacional Tijuana BigSoccer Supporter

    May 6, 2003
    San Diego, Calif.
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    L.A. All the kewl, real fans know L.A. is the superclub. They have Beckum.
     
  19. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    D.C. United is most likely to bring in better South American talent that will play attractive football and be able to win in the MLS, CCL, and other international competitions.
     
  20. koolkeith13

    koolkeith13 Member

    Jun 14, 2007
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And now we have the chance. Up Seattle Sounders FC! :)
     
  21. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    dont forget that attractive soccer ist always effective soccer, although dc usually blends the two pretty good.
     
  22. Bonus_Game

    Bonus_Game Member

    Sep 30, 2007
    San Francisco
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    my guess would be the red bulls. The last American "super club" was in New York.
     
  23. arkjayback

    arkjayback Member

    Mar 29, 2008
    Le Mars, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well isn't a super club the team that plays attractive football AND wins leagues and international competitions?
     
  24. kronz21

    kronz21 Member

    Mar 17, 2006
    cleveland
    thats a complicated question in my book, depends what you mean by attractive soccer, most people think its individual creativity, so we will stick with that.

    in my opinion though too much individual creativty or too many creative players(how ever you look at it) takes away from the concept and organization of the team, which again in my opinion ist good and could cost you the game. of course going the other way it ist good either because play becomes too bland and perdictable which could cost you the game, there has too be a balance between the two i believe for optimal results.



    although id rather see a win with not so attractive style than lose and play pretty. its really about the win, so whatever helps you achieve that should be appllied.


    also the best team on the field ist always the one that plays the most attractive, it just seems like alot of people dont relize this.
     
  25. vividox

    vividox Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 10, 2005
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Right now the parity in the league is so good I don't think we'll be seeing a superteam any time soon, but LA and NY are definitely going to have the required resources once the salary gets bumped a bit (read: a LOT) in the next 20 years or so. Since LA is shooting themselves in the foot with an Uzi right now, I picked NYRB.
     

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