Who was the better athlete?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by JoCryuff98, Jul 21, 2018.

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Who was the better athletic player?

  1. Ronaldo “O Fenomeno”

    2 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Cristiano Ronaldo

    2 vote(s)
    50.0%
  1. JoCryuff98

    JoCryuff98 Member+

    Barcelona
    Netherlands
    Jan 3, 2018
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    O Fenomeno or CR7
     
  2. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    About the same imo, but O Fenomeno could change his direction more quickly while running whereas Cristiano Ronaldo had more stamina, jumps more and was/is much more durable. Top speed about the same.
     
  3. Danko

    Danko Member+

    Barcelona
    Serbia
    Mar 15, 2018
    Athleticism can be compared in many ways. Here are some that come to mind:

    Sprint Speed: EVEN
    Agility: R9
    Foot Speed: EVEN
    Aerial Ability: CR7
    Explosiveness: R9
    Endurance: CR7

    I'd say pretty even overall. Of course they are very different players with different forms of athleticism.
     
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  4. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It is Cristiano Ronaldo. His durability is a not too underrated part. Yes, he worked for it while Ronaldo Luis was less professional (if we have to believe the stories), but the consistent speed plus consistent durability is the winning combo here.
     
  5. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #5 carlito86, Jul 22, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
    I would agree with ronaldo de Lima being more agile.as for explosiveness and sprint speed prime cristiano wins (clearly)


    Explosiveness (assist vs Bolton 2007)



    Prime ronaldo at full pelt against Villarreal (2010)

    Cristiano's athleticism is arguably unmatched by any elite player in history and the fact that he had to work himself to that level makes it all the more remarkable
    And it is examples like the above that probably prove prime cristiano would shred 1950s defences (are there any examples of players from 40+ years running at a speed that is even remotely close)
     
  6. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    #6 Tropeiro, Jul 22, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2018
    You don't need to be further, healthy Bale is at least as athletic as CRonaldo, the Cristiano's key is the durability here.

    Also I'm not sure if Cristiano Ronaldo is really more explosive in a 30m, 50m, 100m than Ronaldo Nazario. The Fenomeno at his peak was pretty fast, he was able to beat opponents by pure speed as much as Cristiano did.
     
  7. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I think R9 was a more natural physical specimen. In the late 90s, it was already obvious he was a physical freak. The way he moved at ridiculous pace, changing speed and direction at will, defenders bouncing off, it was a beauty.

    However, due to advances in sports science, pure luck with injury and the completely different level in professionalism, I think CR7 eventually reached a higher athletic peak than R9.

    R9 might be more agile and faster, but it's slim margins. On the other hand, CR7 has way more jumping ability, stamina, and durability it's not even close.
     
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  8. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Constantly the same false assumptions are made by modernists. Generally, C.Ronaldo would not have been able to fully exploit his athleticism if transported back to the distant football past. Main reason: lack of referee protection. In the old days, defenders could afford tackling a player form behind as a last resort without the probability of getting send-off being that high as it is today. C.Ronaldo would have thought twice about doing that once he got axed viciously by a defender without the referee showing much reaction. Other things that are constantly ignored by modernists when hyping they favorite modern players: crappy equipment in the past compared to today and - very important - really shitty pitches covered with holes, hard surfaces often covered with mudd (autumn/spring) or frozen and covered by snow and/or ice (December to February).
     
  9. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
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  10. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Just have some friends to arrange TUEs for you and you can go forever, and train on the right time slots.

    Example:

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    Regardless, I think the ageing CR7 will turn it on in the 2nd half of the season. Winning the CL with a third club is the real challenge for him. The panicking articles might well be premature.
     
  12. leadleader

    leadleader Member+

    Aug 19, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    #12 leadleader, Sep 11, 2018
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2018
    Ronaldo Nazario was a better athlete in my opinion, which is probably the single greatest reason as to why he was looking like GOAT material already by the age of 20-21.

    In contrast, Cristiano Ronaldo is obviously a great athlete, but there was also Messi and Robben as similarly amazing super-athletes, that is, Ronaldo played in a time of better physical preparation, better protection, better performance enhancers probably, and as such, Ronaldo was a super-athlete out of several in my view. On the other hand, Ronaldo Nazario was a super-athlete at a time when it was considerably more difficult to find one, before Thierry Henry, before Kaka, before Cristiano Ronaldo, before Robben, before Messi, before Mbappe, etc.

    Moreover, there is an argument to be made that Ronaldo's dedication and commitment to the gym makes him a better athlete, but at the same time, in a sense that is not an athletic ability as much as it is (first) a mental strength ability of Ronaldo himself and (second) the inevitable outcome of medical advancements and of progress itself. Give Ronaldo Brazil that second benefit (not necessarily the first one), and in my opinion you will invariably get a better athlete than Cristiano Ronaldo. Two words: MOBILITY ITSELF... Ronaldo Nazario was considerably superior in terms of innate mobility, gifted with the characteristic samba-fluidity that Romario and other Brazilian legends had shown in past eras, compared or juxtaposed against the "robotic and glitchy" mobility of Cristiano Ronaldo. Some fans consider this a purely aesthetical argument, but the truth is that there is more to it other than just pure aesthetical differences, to put it simply: better mobility more often than not - not literally always, but certainly most of the time - means better dribbling and also better ball retention, both of which are HUGE factors.
     
  13. leadleader

    leadleader Member+

    Aug 19, 2009
    Club:
    Arsenal FC


    I would divide it into at least 10 categories (out of which 1 is largely if not entirely pointless in my view).

    Sprint Speed: EVEN
    Agility: EVEN
    Mobility: R9
    Strength: R9
    Foot Speed: EVEN
    Aerial Ability: CR7
    Explosiveness: EVEN
    Endurance in game: EVEN
    Endurance in season: EVEN
    Longevity in career: CR7 - but again, longevity in a career is much more related to the luck of avoiding injuries, to the playing style itself being more injury-prone, than it is related to pure athleticism itself, which is why I have difficulty in seeing this attribute as part of Ronaldo's athleticism... because I see it more as a part of Ronaldo's playing style -


    Overall, superior mobility is a big part of the reason as to why R9 was a better dribbler and also a better ball retention specialist than CR7 was at any stage of his career, on the other hand, superior aerial ability makes CR7 better at just headers and the one-in-a-million bicycle kick... which ultimately means that R9's superior physical characteristics will be more actively noticeable, whereas CR7 would actually need to score a header and/or a bicycle to make his aerial ability count for something.

    Then there is the considerable difference in physical strength: R9 is considerably superior to CR7 in that area, and that area is a considerable factor to consider in its own right, in how it significantly improves or deflates the dribbling ability and also the ball retention ability of the player. So R9 not only has better mobility but also better strength, two physical attributes that are always actively in function.

    Cristiano Ronaldo needs to play a considerably safer and less injury-prone playing style, to even have an argument against Ronaldo Nazario, and in that case the question is: Should a safer playing style be considered also - at the same time - as an inherently more resilient or durable form of athleticism?? My answer to that question is that I consider it in essence a fallacy to brand CR7 as a more durable or resilient athlete almost purely because CR7 dives more, protects himself more, and ultimately plays a less injury-prone playing style, which makes for better longevity career-wise but at the same time isn't actually a physical attribute in its own right, as much as it is a mentality factor or a type of mentality or a type of personality.

    In very simple terms, if R9 in his prime and CR7 in his prime played against each other, R9 would clearly look like the superior athlete in every single game in which CR7 doesn't score a header i.e. the vast majority of games. Cristiano Ronaldo's only argument is longevity, and longevity itself has much more to do with mentality and/or personality than it has to do with the actual athletic skills of a football player. As such, Ronaldo Nazario is a superior athlete in my book.
     
  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #14 carlito86, Jul 30, 2020
    Last edited: Jul 30, 2020

    The human bulldozer

    He weighed 120 pounds ,was 6 ft 5 tall
    And could run 100M in 10 seconds flat
    You don't even have to like his sport to appreciate how good he was

    R9 in full flight had abit of jonah lomu about him
    The incredible strength (more apparent with lomu of course)
    But more notably the raw speed,first step,change of direction and exceptional balance
    A real prodigy aswell delivering one of the all time individual displays of any sport at 19 years old (1995 rugby world cup)

    And even before this He was a cut above the rest
    https://www.eurosport.com/rugby/jon...thing-you-need-to-know_sto4994669/story.shtml


    One of the most visually impressive athletes I've ever seen
     
  15. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Reminds me of Herschel Walker

    I think the NBA and NFL have some athletic freaks as well.
     

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