Who stays, goes.....

Discussion in 'Indy Eleven' started by Otis Campbell, Nov 5, 2015.

  1. Otis Campbell

    Otis Campbell Member

    Jan 17, 2014
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Here is our roster at year end sorted by games played. Changes are coming, who will stay, who will be cut?

    Here are gone thoughts: Nicht, Janicki, Rugg, McKinney, Cuevas, Dawson. There will be others....
    I would love to keep Steinberger and Richards but doubt we can.


    23 D Franco, Marco 27/27
    5 D Norales , Erick 25/25
    7 M Smart, Don 25/11
    9 F Brown, Brian 24/15
    17 M Stojkov, Dragan 21/18
    6 M Mares, Dylan 21/17
    4 M Ring, Brad 21/16
    19 F Wojcik, Wojciech 21/13
    22 M Steinberger, Zach 21/11
    24 G Nicht, Kristian 20/20
    16 D Miller, Cory 20/19
    27 M Pineda, Victor 20/17
    12 D Janicki, Greg 20/16
    99 F Rugg, Charlie 19/13
    18 D Hyland, Kyle 18/17
    14 F Lacroix, Duke 18/7
    15 M Keller, Daniel 16/11
    21 M Richards, Dane 15/13
    3 D Frías, Jaime 12/12
    20 M Peña, Sergio 12/10
    10 M Ceballos, Marvin 12/6
    1 G Cardona, Keith 10/10
    2 D McKinney, Judson 2/1
    29 M Cuevas, Daniel 1/0
    8 M Kleberson , 1/0
    35 G Dawson, Jon 0/0
     
  2. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    This is just what I hope for, not necessarily what I think will happen (I have no idea what will happen).

    Stay: (S=starter B=bench)
    Norales(S)
    Smart(S/B)
    Stojkov(S/B)
    Mares(S)
    Steinberger(S)
    Miller(B)
    Hyland(B)
    Lacroix(S/B)
    Pena(S)
    Ceballos(S/B)

    Neutral:
    Franco
    Brown
    Ring
    Richards
    Cardona
    Keller
    Dawson

    Gone:
    Wojcik
    Nicht
    Pineda
    Janicki
    Rugg
    Frias
    McKinney (I didn't even know he was on the roster for most of the season)
    Cuevas (too short)
    Kleberson (too expensive for his age)
     
  3. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nicht is gone. Not a surprise, and not necessarily a bad thing given the decline in his play this past year, but it's still sad to see the club's first player go.
     
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  4. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Looking through his twitter he seemed to really enjoy being in Indy too.
     
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  5. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So, Tim Hankinson (most recently coaching in the Jamaican league) is in as coach, with Regan staying on as assistant, and Erick Norales is apparently gone. On the whole, I don't think the day qualifies as a net positive.

    Has anyone heard anything about Mares' contract status? I know he was released last winter, and then re-signed, but I know nothing about the term of the contract. Mares is, in my view, the closes thing Indy has to a must-retain guy at this point, especially with Norales gone.

    It's early days yet, and I'm sure there are things happening that are not publicly known, but from an outside perspective the offseason hasn't started particularly well.
     
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  6. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    I mostly skimmed the article, but I didn't see anything stating why Norales is gone?
     
  7. Otis Campbell

    Otis Campbell Member

    Jan 17, 2014
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Here is my thoughts....

    Top priority to retain:
    23 D Franco, Marco
    7 M Smart, Don
    9 F Brown, Brian
    6 M Mares, Dylan
    22 M Steinberger, Zach (on loan)
    16 D Miller, Cory
    18 D Hyland, Kyle
    14 F Lacroix, Duke
    21 M Richards, Dane (on loan)
    1 G Cardona, Keith

    Maybe keep
    17 M Stojkov, Dragan
    4 M Ring, Brad
    27 M Pineda, Victor
    15 M Keller, Daniel
    3 D Frías, Jaime
     
  8. The One X

    The One X Member+

    Sep 9, 2014
    Indiana
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Confirmed Staying:
    Greg Janicki
    Marco Franco
    Cory Miller
    Dylan Mares
    Dragan Stojkov
    Don Smart
    Wojciech Wojcik
    Duke Lacroix
     
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  9. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most important: Mares. After a decent but unspectacular first season in 2014, he made himself indispensable last year. The fact that he's a local guy only adds to his importance to the team.

    Most surprising: Woj. My daughter will be thrilled, as he, unaccountably, was one of her favorite players last year. But he really didn't contribute much. He's still young, showed a few moments of good hold-up play, and could continue to develop, but I certainly would not have identified his retention as a priority.

    Also pleased to see Miller and Smart returning. And Lacroix has exciting potential.
     
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  10. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And the article on the Indy Eleven home page says that the club declined to exercise an option to keep Norales. All I can say is, I don't get it, unless it was a really expensive option (which it might have been). Other options that the club declined: Ceballos, Cuevas, Dawson, Nicht, McKinney, Pineda, and Kleberson.

    Hyland's contract has lapsed, and the article says nothing about continuing negotiations (unlike Ring and Cardona), but I hope he comes back. He's a solid NASL player and is unlikely to be terribly expensive. I wouldn't want him to start every game, but he'd be a nice option to have.
     
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  11. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I would think the money we freed of from Kleberson can be used to get some good players.
     
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  12. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. And Nicht and Norales probably weren't cheap either (although well short of Kleberson's level). There ought to be money available.
     
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  13. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How much was Kleberson making? I'm assuming around 100k but don't know for sure.
     
  14. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rather unfortunate the two cornerstones of the club (Nicht and Kleberson) are gone already, but their quality of play wasn't good enough for a team that, as far as I'm concerned, was spinning their wheels aimlessly in their first two years.

    Will the Eleven go forward, or somehow actually go back, in 2016? Who knows, but hopefully the changes will help the team out.
     
  15. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All depends on what we do this off-season. We're going to have to make a lot of key signings as I look at the players confirmed back, and I really only would feel comfortable with Lacroix, Mares, and Miller starting (Arguably Janicki too). We should have a good chunk of change available with some large contracts departing, this is an absolutely crucial off-season imo.
     
  16. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Especially considering how Ottawa came in the same year as us and they are further along. I actually was thinking we'd be below Jacksonville this season and the Eleven would finish eleventh, given the horrid defense and weak offensive play they had during much of the Fall season. Even with 3 new clubs coming in, a finish of 9th or lower again would be unacceptable to me.

    If we want people to take this club seriously, especially with thoughts of MLS promotion, the club needs to make these improvements.
     
  17. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The club doesn't announce the details of contracts, so I don't know. I've seen estimates that his pay was somewhere around 20 percent of the club's payroll.
     
  18. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not yet sold on Hankinson as coach, but one thing that he does have that the club has lacked so far is experience with succeeding at the NASL level. Peter doesn't have it, Sommer certainly didn't have it, Regan doesn't have it, and that lack of understanding showed in the squad that Indy assembled in each of the first two years.
     
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  19. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, with the departures we should have a few hundred thousand to work with if not more.
     
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  20. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FWIW, I saw Lance Laing said he's leaving FC Edmonton and said he had offers from other NASL clubs, MLS clubs, and USL. I would hope we made an offer to him, this is a guy who had 8 goals and 7 assists last season, for a club that struggles with the attacking half of the field he could be a big addition.
     
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  21. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just listened to Peter's interview on last weekend's Soccer Saturday. Apparently, we have a new player signed already, from within the NASL; he should be announced within the next couple of days.
     
  22. USAsports6

    USAsports6 Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Oct 17, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lance Laing please.... But probably not. I'm sure someone is going to give him a substantial contract.
     
  23. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Laing would do nicely, but I agree that he's probably not the signing to be announced.
     
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  24. jeffcoop

    jeffcoop BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 11, 2006
    Central Indiana
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I see LA Galaxy declined to exercise its option for Charlie Rugg for next year.

    What a disappointment Rugg turned out to be. In the fall of 2014, he seemed like an incisive attacker, albeit one lacking a finishing touch. This past year, nothing. He started off seeming annoyed that he was at Indy rather than in LA; now, he won't be with either.
     
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  25. bnyc

    bnyc Member

    Jan 20, 2015
    New York
    Club:
    New York Cosmos
    I havn't seen a complete list of NASL free agents but the two names I'm most curious to see land are Lance Liang & Ricardo Alves. With Norales now gone, Alves would be a significant acquisition.
     

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