Federico is a poor leader. He sets bad examples. He bullies and abuses a teammate to the boiling point until it escalates to violence. He can be a gamechanger for any team, so he should fetch a good price. But I have had enough of his temper issues.
Fede is one of the worse captains we've had in recent years, second only to Carvajal. Fede shows no leadership on the pitch, he refused to play as a RB vs Kairat Almaty and then when put on the bench refused train with the subs pre-game [he was fine with playing there with Arbeloa] He also participated in the insurgence vs Xabi with Junior and the Temu Peaky Blinder, and while I don't not excuse Tchouameni, he was the instigator in the incident and actively tried to injure the Frenchman. He goes.
Feder and Vini; it will break apart the main instigators in the locker room and will set a precedent to the likes of Jude, Camavinga, Rodrygo, etc. who show attitude/discipline issues at times. If they renew Vini and keep Fede; except another circus next season.
Of course, the club could terminate their contract. They'd most likely have to pay them a severance, but yeah, that's also possible.
Both are quality players. If one of them wants to move on than be midfield partners again, there will be offers from PL.
This is it. The club will send both players off to the world cup, on vacation, and then things will develop naturally.
It's a shame. I know bust ups happen from time to time and that we're usually just not privy to them, but we're talking about a highly publicised knockout here. I don't know if I'd be able to just let it go now if I was Fede. I think these things hardly ever go back to normal. If this does, I'd be quite surprised. One thought I had about these financial penalties... First, it's good to see the club decided to punish this in a significant way. No matter what you think, €500k net is not an insignificant amount of money. Though I found this disciplinary measure a bit uneven given that Fede out-earns Tchouameni (320k vs 240k). If they just said they'd dock 2 weeks pay that'd be more balanced. As far as which player should be sold, if it comes to that, I think Fede is the one who has been the bigger disappointment in this than Tchouameni (if reports are to be believed - and that's a big if). Both are important players for us. I think it would probably be harder to replace Tchou, but Fede is also a valuable asset, so selling either would be a loss for the club. If I had to decide myself I'd probably lean towards selling Fede. But it's definitely not as simple as "who was at fault here".
I think what happened is horrible but I also think you guys are overreacting. Some of the better relationships you can have are with people you've had a fight with. As weird as it may sound sometimes it leads to respect. The media leaks are a different thing, if one or the other did that, that isn't going to go away any time soon and for good reason.
They both need a leader figure next to them to really shine. While I thought Tchouameni played a decent season, unlike for example Camavinga who has clearly regressed, I have doubts about qualities such as his game-reading ability to seize a match and work as the enforcing motor in that midfield; Valverde has no such qualities at all, he captures a lot of distance in a game and plays physical, which is why I would much rather see him as a RB owning that part of the pitch. But he's also a turncoat and part of what I consider the triumvirate (Vinicius/Valverde/Bellingham) that instigates backstage politics. In a perfect world, both would stay but if i had to chose it would be Valverde who has to go
True, and this situation in isolation seems redeemable. Fede is on a pretty negative streak though. Very disappointing because he didn't seem the type, but between the fights, the rumours of the mutiny against Xabi, and the mess he's also part of at his NT, seems to be turning out more ElHadji Diof than Gerrard. Dumbass, class player and most likely to be captain next season, but instead he is in the news for the wrong reason once again.
They can both go. Fede is one of my favourite players and a real throwback/old-school type. I don’t have an issue with his on field performance, but there is simply too much baggage now and it’s clear the captaincy is too heavy. Although Fede has the character to redeem himself and reverse the narrative. Tchouameni because we would still receive a massive offer and maybe I’m in the minority, but I simply don’t think he is that good or consistent enough. This is also coming from someone who has zero attachments to any players on this squad at this point.
Honestly I'd like to sell some Real Madrid fans. Maybe ship em to Barca. They are already half way there.
Both. It is not just the fight it is the performances,not good enough especially considering the kind of players we had in midfiled. Fede has been garbage for 2 years without Kroos/Modric doing the midfield work and controling games.With Paz/Jude here ,it is time to cash in and build a midfield with better ball playing abilitys.No leadership quality,the most disapointing captain SELL Tchouameni,good player and thats it ,he is a massive downgrade to Casemiro,poor with the ball,cant control the midfield i rater have Rodri in that 6 role for the next 3/4 years than him,sign players like Stiller/Wharton to build from the defense and move the ball forward and i dont think we will miss him at all .
Exactly; this whole “you’re either with us or against us” mentality gets old very quickly. These are probably the same people defending their politicians who repeatedly prove they care more about protecting their own power and interests of the 1% than actually serving the people supporting them. They need to learn that criticism isn’t betrayal; it’s about looking at the reality and trying to improve it while holding those responsible accountable.
100% this. They’re here just for the drama. Toxic fandom definition. On this subject though, if it’s an option, Tchou definitely needs to leave before Fede
Booing a player EVERY single time he touches the ball and then subsequently celebrating his goals and cheering 5 minutes later is everything wrong with football culture right now. It's monty python levels of absurdity. Booing at half time or at certain points makes some sense but consistently boing is ridiculous and it really is an indictment of our culture at this point. Everyone wants to be a protagonist. Let me boo for 90s minutes one player only. Its about me!!! This is all narcissism. This society is sick.
It's truly the lowest form of social interaction. The most basic of primal tribal dynamics. "Let me shut you up via the shortcut of accusing you of being from the outgroup." Thus ostracize, instead of debate, try to understand and possibly reconciliate. Rabid nationalists often use this to justify their hatred and irresponsible stoking of historic flames - leading to renewed friction. Whenever they're reprimanded and/or called to instead cultivate a dialogue that'll lead to peace and stability (instead of further polrization), they accuse you of being the enemy. It's such an ugly side of humanity, this exploitation of evolutionary psychology in social dialogue. And politicians utilise it almost every time they open their mouths. Throw the dogs a bone, and let them fight over it while you rob them blind.