dribbles made per 90 minutes in World Cups History All editions : 1930 until 2022 1 # Mané Garrincha ... 1962 ..................10, 33 per game 2# Diego Armando Maradona 1986 7, 57 per game .. 3# Lionel Messi ...... 2014 6, 57 per game Jairzinho .... 1966.. 70 ... 74 ..... . 4, 93 per game Pelé ......... 58 .,, 62 .... 66 ... 70 ...... 5, 57 per game Johan Cruyff ,,... 1974 ..... ..4, 85 ,,,..... per game Eusébio ..........1966 ....... ..5, 83 ,,,,,, per game ... Franz Beckenbauer ...... 1966... 70 ... 74 ........ 2, 38 per game ... ....Ronaldo Nazario ............... 1998 ........... 3, 42 per game ........Ronaldinho Gaucho ............2002 and 2006 ........ 2, 60 per game ......... Zinedine Zidane ...... 1998... 2002 ...2006 ....... 3, 58 per game .........Ronaldo Nazario ... 1998 ...2002 ..and 2006 ............ 2, 26 per game ..!
.............dribbles made per 90 minutes in World Cups History All editions : 1 # Mané Garrincha ... 1962 ..................10, 33 per game 2# Diego Armando Maradona 1986 7, 57 per game .. 3# Lionel Messi ...... 2014 6, 57 per game Jairzinho .... 1966.. 70 ... 74 ..... . 4, 93 per game Pelé ......... 58 .,, 62 .... 66 ... 70 ...... 5, 57 per game Johan Cruyff ,,... 1974 ..... ..4, 85 ,,,..... per game Eusébio ..........1966 ....... ..5, 83 ,,,,,, per game ... Franz Beckenbauer ...... 1966... 70 ... 74 ........ 2, 38 per game ... ....Ronaldo Nazario ............... 1998 ........... 3, 42 per game ........Ronaldinho Gaucho ............2002 and 2006 ........ 2, 60 per game ......... Zinedine Zidane ...... 1998... 2002 ...2006 ....... 3, 58 per game .........Ronaldo Nazario ... 1998 ...2002 ..and 2006 ............ 2, 26 per game ..!
In place, Cristiano Ronaldo is in the top 10 in terms of legacy but based on peak and even many footballers' primes I don’t see the reason why he is hyped to such big extremes. For me, Ronaldinho is overrated in the greatest arguments but in terms of peak and prime he isn’t it’s the same case with R9. Cristiano Ronaldo never improved his game outside Goalscoring, was never an elite dribbler at any point of his career but a good one in his prime. He isn’t exactly an expert in playmaking or passing. He doesn’t influence the totality of the game if he doesn’t score. He is great at what he does and he has been consistently great at it. Florentino Perez PR, Jorge Mendes as an agent and even playing in the Premier League while entering his prime play huge factors in why someone’s legacy can become inflated. Ronaldo mainly played for super teams that catered to his strengths and when that didn’t happen he performed we see it in major tournaments with Portugal, especially in the KO stages, we’ve seen it in his post-Madrid era and even during his prime at United and early seasons at Madrid at times he would blank in big games. The three-peat he was great for his role because he finally understood that he could improve in one aspect moving off the ball and not taking too many shots outside the box and in areas where shooting is illogical. Don't even get me started on how he can be overrated when compared to the likes of Pele, Messi, Maradona, Cruyff etc. I feel like it’s a great disrespect to these players that he gets compared to them because they influenced the totality of the game and had more technical ability.
That's a fair assessment honestly. Ronaldinhos peak was too short although very high but in many ways he still had a pretty long career where he still performed at the highest level at times.
Just like people like you don’t make great enough arguments for him and make the same type of arguments I’ve been hearing about him since 2011 that aren’t logical but more about mental gymnastics. It’s also true that when you can’t debunk an argument you shift goal posts and make logical fallacies that don’t make any sense in reality just to try and cope.
No they aren’t not even a little bit. One of them when they retire and the propaganda goes down will have their historical rankings dropped and the quality tapes alone wouldn’t justify them being in the same level as the popular candidates for the Greatest in history.
You CANNOT assume he has the same dribbling and 'fouled' numbers in 1996/97 and 1997/98 (even in the face of indications he doesn't, even when I mentioned he carried injury/fitness issues into World Cup 1998, even when you know 2002 and 2003/04 are after his big injury which he never properly came back from in terms of being the same player). It's one thing for you to speculate about it, but you are making a whole analysis based on extrapolating that small sample data to his 1996/97 and 1997/98 seasons in effect with no proof. It's really absurd. Can't you see that? And you're being deceptive with Cristiano Ronaldo, when you know as well as anyone else what his dribbling and 'fouled' numbers are since 2009/10 onwards (that first season in that series of 13 in European club football the only one that would be in the ballpark for dribbles/'fouls received' with a dataset for Ronaldo Nazario from 1996/97 and 1997/98 that had a more conservative estimate of dribbles than both Whimsy and the other guy did - you are in effect saying they are massively out in their numbers but I remember looking at some of the examples of Whimsy and they didn't seem massively out to me at all, even if I'm not an Opta expert as such). bexco07 on X: "@OptaJose @Cristiano @premierleague CR7 PL Dribbles Completed (per 90min) 03~09 in PL = 3.1 03~06 in PL = 3.9 06~09 in PL = 2.5" / X Successful Dribbles - Messi vs Ronaldo Career Successful Dribbles Stats Successful Dribbles - Messi vs Ronaldo Career Successful Dribbles Stats I don't want to give the impression I think that dribbling prowess can be totally measured and decided by numbers anyway, but those early seasons 2003/04 to 2005/06 are when he has high number of successes relatively speaking (getting in the range of what was suggested for Ronaldo Nazario 96/96 and 97/98, though I accept you think those numbers can be over-estimated - what I don't accept is you saying well they should be about 2 per game without any real basis to say that, considering you are in effect disallowing around half of the 'dribbles' those guys counted and like I said checking a sample of Whimsy's 1997/98 examples with significant numbers of dribbles counted I didn't think that would be realistic at all to do that). His success rate (if we want to focus on stats that is also relevant surely) wasn't so high though I believe (we know the number of 191 for dribble attempts in the 2007/08 Premier League for example so that gives a value of 47% success rate, less than half - you are also trying to suggest Ronaldo Nazario's success rate will be less than 50% but without any info on it for these seasons we are talking about, or 1994/95 for example if we are bringing seasons pre-prime into things in the same way as with 2003/04 to 2005/06 for C.Ronaldo). If I tried to compare them for goalscoring and assisting based on World Cups 1998, 2002 vs Euro 2004 and World Cup 2006 I'm sure you would have something to say about it (or if I used World Cup 2014 and Euro 2016 even)? The only difference is you have easy access to the numbers for the seasons where overall C.Ronaldo's output in that respect was far away from his World Cup/Euros output (albeit on a per game basis his assists output isn't fantastic as such - but still you'd be finding the best examples for that as well as goals scored). When I talked about fouls against potentially reducing dribbling numbers I was also thinking about disincentive to dribble if players can get away with bad fouls that cause some pain without significant punishment in terms of cards often, not only that dribbles will be cut short by the fouls themselves. I don't think that is wrong. But I wasn't talking about World Cup 1998, or especially 2002. I was talking about whole seasons in 1996/97 and 1997/98. Young C.Ronaldo genuinely did spend more time on the wings too of course, and notoriously liked to showboat, so how many of his dribbles at a young age were due to that? But anyway in terms of numbers that period is his peak for dribbles completed (and probably fouls against seemingly?) - is that the version of C.Ronaldo you think should be compared with Ronaldo Nazario then as an overall player too? The bottom line is you don't have the confirmed numbers for 1996/97 and 1997/98 and you are making up your own to suit your agenda I think (giving the benefit of the doubt I can accept that it is your perception because you think the significantly reduced numbers will be realistic, but I don't share that expectation that that is realistic and I don't think you have any basis to just assume it is and then make arguments based on that assumption!)!
https://statsbomb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Ronaldo_Gifolution.gif I think early on Statsbomb was not a reliable site (because it was showing 'all-time' Champions League assist data for example which only started in mid 00s - mind you Uefa itself possibly still does that on it's own site!), but I see it has developed into a place with very detailed analysis. That diagram does show dribbles numbers for 2008/09 (as well as overall for 2009/10 - if his league dribbles numbers are bumped up by other competitions in some Man Utd years it's also relevant to see they are knocked down a bit for that season I suppose), coming from Opta apparently. Gifolution: Cristiano Ronaldo's Best Years - StatsBomb | Data Champions
Most dribbles in WC 2006 (1/2)1) Cristiano : 18 (3.36 p90)2) Henry : 18 (2.56 p90)3) Ribéry : 16 (2.81 p90)4) Ronaldinho : 14 (2.93 p90)5) Figo : 13 (2.22 p90) pic.twitter.com/up15CiSpOE— Gasipo (@gasipo_opinions) August 3, 2021 4.9 - Which players completed the most dribbles per 90 minutes in Europe's top five leagues in 2006-07?4.9 - Lionel Messi3.5 - Joaquín2.7 - Cristiano Ronaldo2.7 - Abdul Kader Keïta2.5 - Aruna DindaneRecollect. pic.twitter.com/aLlRzhOrVV— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) August 4, 2023 90 - Most dribbles completed in the 2007-08 Premier League season:90 - Cristiano Ronaldo88 - Aliaksandr Hleb75 - David Bentley69 - Joe Cole62 - Charles N'ZogbiaMemories. #OptaJoe15 https://t.co/q1xMfvcxec— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) June 4, 2024 Just to recap That is the most dribbles completed in the 2005/06 Champions league(Opta) 2006 World Cup(Opta) 2006/07 Premier League(Opta) 2006/07 Champions League(Opta) 2007/08 Premier League(Opta) These are facts Ronaldo nazarios real dribbling numbers are unknown What is known isn’t impressive either(the famous 1997/98 UEFA cup final vs lazio with his few episodes vs Nesta,the World Cup data and the CL data) Regarding foul numbers I think it has got lost somewhere in the discussion that Cristiano Ronaldo was fouled 4.2 times per game in the 2007/08 CL along with his 3+ dribbles(these are more facts) He top scored in that 2007/08 UCL edition with 8 goals Ronaldo nazario has never scored more than 8 goals in a single edition of the World Cup Copa America Champions League UEFA Cup And the only time he did score 8 goals(World Cup 2002) his all round game was not much better than Erling Haaland
Cristiano Ronaldo in World Cup 2010: 1.8 successful dribbles per game (33% success rate). Cristiano Ronaldo in World Cup 2014: 1.3 successful dribbles per game (44% success rate). Cristiano Ronaldo in Euro 2008: 2.3 successful dribbles per game (47% success rate). Cristiano Ronaldo in Euro 2012: 1 successful dribble per game, playing 96 minutes on average (38% success rate).
Yes 90/191 = 47%. 90 dribbles over 30.52 lots of 90 minutes = 2.95 per 90 minutes (more than 2006/07 and 2008/09 apparently, meaning the average over those 3 seasons went down from 2.95).
yes .... 18 matches ... C. Ronaldo ...... 36 dribbles completed or 39 dribbles completed ... depend of criteria . 2, 00 per game .... or ..... 2, 20 per game dribbles made per 90 minutes ... C. Ronaldo !
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Most dribbles in WC 2006 (1/2)1) Cristiano : 18 (3.36 p90)2) Henry : 18 (2.56 p90)3) Ribéry : 16 (2.81 p90)4) Ronaldinho : 14 (2.93 p90)5) Figo : 13 (2.22 p90) pic.twitter.com/up15CiSpOE— Gasipo (@gasipo_opinions) August 3, 2021 4.9 - Which players completed the most dribbles per 90 minutes in Europe's top five leagues in 2006-07?4.9 - Lionel Messi3.5 - Joaquín2.7 - Cristiano Ronaldo2.7 - Abdul Kader Keïta2.5 - Aruna DindaneRecollect. pic.twitter.com/aLlRzhOrVV— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) August 4, 2023 90 - Most dribbles completed in the 2007-08 Premier League season:90 - Cristiano Ronaldo88 - Aliaksandr Hleb75 - David Bentley69 - Joe Cole62 - Charles N'ZogbiaMemories. #OptaJoe15 https://t.co/q1xMfvcxec— OptaJoe (@OptaJoe) June 4, 2024 Just to recap That is the most dribbles completed in the 2005/06 Champions league(Opta) 2006 World Cup(Opta) 2006/07 Premier League(Opta) 2006/07 Champions League(Opta) 2007/08 Premier League(Opta) These are facts ‘Peak’ Ronaldo nazarios real dribbling numbers are unknown. What is known isn’t impressive either(the famous 1997/98 UEFA cup final vs lazio with his few episodes vs Nesta,the World Cup data and the CL data) Regarding foul numbers I think it has got lost somewhere in the discussion that Cristiano Ronaldo was fouled 4.2 times per game in the 2007/08 CL along with his 3+ dribbles(these are more facts) He top scored in that 2007/08 UCL edition with 8 goals Ronaldo nazario has never scored more than 8 goals in a single edition of the World Cup Copa America Champions League UEFA Cup And the only time he did score 8 goals in a top tier KO competition was in World Cup 2002. His all round game in that tournament was not much better than Erling Haalands today(another fact)
you don't need to bring too much details between them ... C. Ronaldo vs Ronaldo Nazario speaks C. Ronaldo 0, 97 ......... Goals + Assists vs Ronaldo Nazario 0, 89 .......... Goals + Assists C. Ronaldo is better for sure ! even Michel Platini Marco van Basten Eusebio Romário Sandor Kocsis Ademir De Menezes Vavá Coutinho Gerd Muller Franz Beckenbauer Zidane Gullit they are slightly better players than Ronaldo Nazario .... Goals + Assists + Pre-assists + Def Job + Playmaker phase ! All the Attributes einvolved there !
i know that you like too much Michel Platini .... so i did it one amazing dribbling skills video Of Michel Platini ... has one goal ... ele gives one Sombrero in 1976 then does one goal of Volleys ,,there ... i think so that you don't saw this goal yet ...
As an aside, I admit I have some level of doubt for sure about Ronaldo's apparent BCC stats that those guys estimated for 1997/98 (noting though that both of them had him down with a very good number for that season, while the one who looked at 1996/97 too didn't have him with such a high rate of BCCs at all for that season - remember he was a number 10 rather than number 9 once at Inter Milan, in shirt number and in effect too...or at least a '9.5' as Platini might say). There was also confusion around key passes (was the other guy accidentally showing too low a number for key passes? - I'm not sure). Whimsy did seem convinced most of his BCC examples were valid IIRC though, so the level of over-estimation at least might not be huge (but I don't know exactly, that's fair to say). The other guy had even done some cross-comparison between his own xG and xGOT data and Opta's, to verify his methodology somewhat on that, I noticed (not to say that proves he will be similarly accurate on BCC necessarily - he did seem to increase his number of BCM by Ronaldo in 96/97 after that initial post I spotted too by the way, not massively though). He made a post for Puskas showing him with significantly higher xGOT numbers than xG numbers (due to shooting prowess), and one for Ronaldo Copa America 1997 with similar XGOT and xG (perhaps considering that that spectacular left footed shot in the final was still headed within the goalie's reach for example?) as well as xA of around 1 per game (considering I guess that the excellent pass to Romario vs Colombia still left the requirement for either a first time shot or taking the ball a bit wide before shooting, under pressure from a defender, if Romario was to score from it, while he had an assist to Romario that was nicely played but still ended in Romario taking the ball on and shooting from outside the box) Ronaldo on X: "Ronaldo Nazário - Copa América 1997 6 games (479 minutes) ⚽️ 5 goals (0.94) 3.85 xG | 3.87 xGOT 2 assists (0.38) 1.02 xA 20 shots / 13 on target (2.44) https://t.co/6xHSZm3DY6" / X Ronaldo on X: "Ferenc Puskás' goals analysed ⚽️ 105 goals (~35 xG | ~69 xGOT) ⚽️ 0.333 xG per goal 0.658 xGOT per goal Goal source: https://t.co/fVj4kbaC2H Breakdown by competition https://t.co/jmWNwjjNYd" / X Ronaldo on X: "Comparing my xG and xGOT models vs Opta. Sampled 100 goals from random UCL matches mainly from this season. Hopefully, this gives some people an idea of the overall accuracy. xG: 26.90 - 28.09 xGOT: 55.40 - 56.88 https://t.co/6bNDBHtbRd" / X As another aside I see the Premier League website has BCC data from 2010/11 now (which shows that Ronaldo Nazario's suggested 1997/98 numbers would be getting towards the peak De Bruyne/Ozil kind of range I suppose - I'm again not saying I think that is the case necessarily by the way, albeit BCC tends to have a lower threshold than xG as it were doesn't it?). Premier League Player Stats - Big Chances Created De Bruyne 19/20 - 33 (20 assists) Fernandes 22/23 - 32 (8 assists) De Bruyne 22/23 - 31 (16 assists) Ozil 15/16 - 28 (19 assists) Fraser 18/19 - 28 (14 assists) Alexander-Arnold 22/23 - 25 (9 assists) De Bruyne 16/17 - 24 (18 assists) Trippier 22/23 - 24 (7 assists) Baines 12/13 - 22 (5 assists) Suarez 13/14 - 22 (12 assists) Salah 23/24 - 22 (10 assists) Drogba 10/11 - 21 (13 assists) Van Persie 11/12 - 21 (9 assists) Fernandes 23/24 - 21 (8 assists) De Bruyne 23/24 - 21 (10 assists) Mahrez 15/16 - 20 (11 assists) Fernandes 20/21 - 20 (12 assists) Son 23/24 - 20 (10 assists) Barton 10/11 - 19 (9 assists) Downing 10/11 - 19 (7 assists) De Bruyne 17/18 - 19 (16 assists) De Bruyne 20/21 - 19 (12 assists) Kane 21/22 - 19 (9 assists) Young 10/11 - 18 (10 assists) Bale 11/12 - 18 (10 assists) Hazard 18/19 - 18 (15 assists) Alexander-Arnold 19/20 - 18 (13 assists) Mahrez 19/20 - 18 (9 assists) Alexander-Arnold 21/22 - 18 (12 assists) Salah 21/22 - 18 (13 assists) Of course not every BCC is the same (or has the same xG associated with it for that matter), and some of them will be down to other team-mates overall as much as the final passer. The per 90 minutes numbers would look a bit different too. They also have BCM data (Haaland top for the last 2 seasons, Vardy for 2015/16 for example being notable and interesting examples I suppose - maybe the Haaland ones are widely known anyway) - they purchased or were given the permission to use Opta data (like they do for assists) I guess....
Is 2007/2008 the only EPL season known, where the highest goal-scorer, is also the leader for the most successful dribbles? I've checked through WhoScored, and I think that may be the case. Prime Luis Suarez came close leading those two facets of the game in 2013/2014, but he was bested in terms of dribbles by none other than Eden Hazard. I think Thierry Henry may have come close previously, but I'm not sure if he actually managed to do it. I've seen statistics from StatsBomb that suggests that he had the capacity to do it. As for Ronaldo Nazario, even if the combined goal-record of 34 goals and 169 successful dribbles in a single domestic campaign does sound somewhat insane (the only player with known OPTA records that bests both the goal-scoring and the dribbling numbers are 2011/2012 and 2014/2015 versions of Lionel Messi). Ronaldo on X: "Ronaldo Nazário's dribbles in 1996/97 and 1997/98 compared to Messi, Cristiano, and Neymar (league only) https://t.co/TPJsOCPz9c" / X (twitter.com) I think even with a more conservative estimate (I think triple figures are possible, although maybe high double figures might be the end-result given the strictest possible metrics), Ronaldo Nazario could potentially have topped the charts for successful dribbles during the 1996/1997 season, meaning he would have been both the highest goal-scorer, and the most successful dribbler in the league in terms of volume. Aged just twenty, and adjusting to life in a new country. Whatever the conservative estimate may be, I think this is a season worth inspecting for those who have the necessary resources.
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I guess you have a link for that. Anyway it'd make his successful dribbles (I guess that's what you refer to there?) ~ 3 per game/90 minutes from PL/CL, and his number of times fouled, using this reference too (and converting to 2.88 per 90 minutes - from the minutes per fouls won number cited).... 2.88 from 30.52 lots of 90 minutes (88 fouls I think) 4.2 from 11.3 lots of 90 minutes (47 fouls, or 48?) Average = approx/max 3.23 fouls per 90 minutes over both competitions. In the ballpark of the Ronaldo 1997/98 numbers those guys had (with lower dribbles numbers than they had, but there is doubt about those - to be fair can there also be potential for an under-count on fouls received if anything?...anyway I would presume they are about right on fouls numbers if they did it honestly and correctly identified all free-kicks awarded which is where the fouls numbers come from of course).
Well you said 'per game' of course, so 11 Champions League games, not 11.3. Probably the overall average from PL/CL combined is 136 fouls over about 41.82 lots of 90 minutes (I had used 47 fouls for CL before, so not quite 'max' as I typed to be fair, but anyway I guess it is 46 actually to add to 90 from Premier League) = 3.25 fouls per 90 minutes. I remembered the 90 fouls won number after somehow calculating 88 in the Premier League, so am correcting that while I'm at it. Any mistake is an honest mistake, and to be fair like I say I'm correcting it.
Ronaldo Nazario in great shape ... " phases " .... dribbles made per 90 minutes it would be between .... 3,42 per game ... at maximum 5, 00 per game at his peak ! Ronaldo Nazario in bad shape ... 2,26 per game .... til 1.,50 per game ! or 1, 20 per game ! something like that !