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.... .Dutch Players ....with Golden Balls .... Siver Balls... Bronze Balls in Major Trophies : ..Van Basten ....Golden Ball ...Euro-Cup ....1988 ..Cruyff ........Golden Ball ....... World Cup..... 1974 ... Wesley Sneijder ..... Silver Ball ... World Cup 2010 ... Ruud Gullit ...........Silver Ball ,,,,,,,,,,,,, Euro-Cup 1988 ....Arjen Robben ........ Bronze Ball .......... World Cup ....2014 .. ...Frank Rijkaard ...........Bronze Ball .......... Euro-Cup ....1988 .. only Dutch Players .... that were Awarded in Major Trophies ... Dennis Bergkamp ...don't have the Awards ... Puck Van Heel ... face the truth and Learning from always !
Literally 0% of this contradicts his claim that Arjen Robben had a superior European record to Dennis bergkamp firstly There is no award for most non penalty goals scored in the UEFA Cup There is an award for Total goals scored and that doesn’t belong to Dennis bergkamp Neither before 2000 and certainly not after 2000 secondly For the longest period Robben featured amongst the top ever scorers of CL KO goals This infographic was from 2021 but for most if not all of the 2010s Karim benzema was way behind Arjen Robben(he scored 10 KO goals in 2022) Luis Suarez was definitely behind him and he was neck and neck with Robert lewandowski These are the top 3 strikers of their era and Arjen Robben was never a striker. in the era of superteams CL KO goals definitely matter(it separates the trash goals against obscure teams in the groupstages from goals scored vs competitive teams in must win matches) Bergkamp has nothing in his European career that can compare to this Thirdly ESM remains a valid point of contention The fact Roberto Baggio,Eric cantona (and whoever else) aren’t reflected well(or at all in Baggios case) in their rankings is a red herring The discussion is about Dennis Bergkamp and it is NOT about Roberto Baggio ESM began in 1995/96 and it isn’t far fetched at all to suggest Baggio was never a consistent world class performer after he left Juventus(1995) DBS calcio has a different view of his time in Bologna but it helps when 50% of your league goals are from penalties(11/22) which is an absurd amount by any standard Eric Cantona returned to first team football in October 1995 after a lengthy ban. 1995/96 being the starting point of ESM His match winning goals propelled Manchester United to an unlikely premier league title. After that Cantona hardly produced anything noteworthy in his career and he literally retired 1 season later. Cantona in his last season for Manchester United (1996/97) also failed to produce anything meaningful in the champions league it is disingenuous at best to compare cantonas last two seasons to Bergkamps entire arsenal career Bergkamp joined Arsenal in 1996/97 one year after the introduction of ESM European sports media was active during Bergkamps entire Arsenal stint All of it and he isn’t reflected well there at all Arjen Robben is and your Virgil van dijk also is Stop hiding behind the “overrated” Baggio(your words)and awards that don’t even exist mate(most non penalty goals in UEFA Cup before 2000 lol)
Yes, to hide behind Roberto Baggio who was a smaller fish in the History of the Football.. yes Baggio Highly appreciated by magazines in General... and overrated ...too ... for sure .. like ...George Best .....Ronaldinho Gaucho ....etc ..etc ..etc .. Bergkamp had the history from him in the Dutch National Team side .. unsuccessful.. Eric Cantona .... 1996 was : Onze d'Or: 1996[176]
... ..firstly There is no award for most non penalty goals scored in the UEFA Cup yes ... i agree with you dear mate ! Only Exist one Metric ...about it : but is one Metric in 100 possible Metrics ...on the professional Football Goals in open play .... Examples this : Ronaldinho Gaucho 301 Goals ...... in Senior Squad Level ... and in Official Matches ..." Senior " -103.... penaltygoals -66...... free-kicks goals .. ======== 132 goals " Open Play with Marking well closer " Gullit 236 Goals - 6 penalty kicks goals .......... ========= 230 Goals " Open Play with Marking well closer " Dennis Bergkamp 301 goals - 10 penalty kicks goals ===== 291 goals ..." Open Play with Marking well closer "
Can I ask how it was possible for a player that is not always directly qualifying for the Champions League and had severe personal problems with away fixtures, to have a massive tally for the ESM Player of the Month, if his league of choice was the English Premier League? That is a warped perspective that comes with counting ESM Team of the Month appearances, that is not exclusively a problem with Dennis Bergkamp. It really is not hard to point out the obscene results that can be drawn from assuming ESM Team of the Month reflects reality. The first rendition of ESM Team of the Month got released in September 1995, and after that Alan Shearer achieved the following: 1. Euro 1996 Golden Boot, Euro 1996 Team of the Tournament 2. EPL Golden Boot 1995/1996, 1996/1997 3. PFA Player's Player of the Year 1996/1997 4. Third place Ballon d'Or 1996 That is a moment in time where simultaneous international tournament performance and domestic excellence was coming from Alan Shearer, recognized by multiple parties, statistics, and quite frankly the eye-test also. Despite all of this, he received zero ESM Team of the Month awards during this time-frame, and got a single sympathy vote in March 2003. How would you rate Alan Shearer for this specific time-frame, and would you use this trivia to rate Marcus Rashford above him, because he has more ESM Team of the Month appearances and more UEFA Champions League goals? If you tell me what your thoughts on Alan Shearer would be, and if he truly deserved literally no votes of any kind, simply because he was playing for a less ambitious side that creates the best blockbuster narratives, maybe I can be at peace with how people are using ESM Team of the Month to evaluate Dennis Bergkamp also.
Using Transfermarkt assist tallies in the top four leagues, during Dennis Bergkamp tenure in these particular leagues (1993/1994 to 2005/2006), to figure out the players with the most assists in the larger scale domestic leagues. I recognize that Transfermarkt does not have OPTA tallies, but I have to work with what I've got. 1. Luis Figo: 114 assists 1. David Beckham: 114 assists 3. Ryan Giggs: 112 assists 4. Dennis Bergkamp: 104 assists These are the only people with 100 assists (wider definitions for some, Transfermarkt has weird classifications that does not stay entirely consistent) or more, in top four European domestic leagues for that era, I could find. Not Alessandro Del Piero, not Francesco Totti, not Raul, not any of the usual suspects I've checked out on. Dennis Bergkamp's domestic performances, consistent international tournament performances (whether they break the threshold for individual accolades is another matter), and his overall body of work is nothing to be scoffed at. Using Dennis Bergkamp for total goals scored in various international tournaments is just a testament to his productivity amongst many of the functions he provided. He is a player that would be better appreciated with non-recognized contributions such as pre-assists, which I will leave out because I do not know where he stands comparatively to others.
this Guy ....at Video ..... have spoken What I'm always saying here if you guys... didn't pay attention to Behavior in Big Games or in Big Finals ..mainly in Finals And you no longer watch entire matches, especially from older and classic players you always missed the best of the cake for sure ... ! I can never guide myself on your Eye Test and Stats Base Analysis Failed ..Almost ...always !
... ... this Guy ....at Video ..... have spoken What I'm always saying here if you guys... didn't pay attention to Behavior in Big Games or in Big Finals ..mainly in Finals And you no longer watch entire matches, especially from older and classic players you always missed the best of the cake for sure ... ! I can never guide me or myself on your Eye Test and Stats Base Analysis Failed ..Almost ...always !
yes .. i know this .... Dennis Bergkamp 423 matches ... 104 Assists 83 Pre-Assists ... 0, 44, 20 % Assists and Pre-Assists
Relative to his era also? Who else managed it? I'm assuming almost nobody from the second-striker position.
Football has so many many Metrics to analize ..them ... with very very calm and Attention For example .. Football Manager ...has one Metric ... : Distance covered per 90 minutes ... : But ... has more +++++ 20 other Metrics .... at Least ... Tackles Won % Headers Won % ( Def. Set Pieces ) Interceptions Def. Covers Def.. Blocks ..Duels Won % ..Clearances ..Saves ... ..Goals per match or per 90 minutes played : ..Assists .. ..Pre-Assists .. .. Key-Passes ..Big chances created .. Passing accuracy % ..Long Range Balls % ..Crossing Attempts and accuracy % ... Shots on Target ratio % ..Shots Attempts frequency ..Yellow Cards ...Red Cards ...Player of the Match .. ...Awards ... ..Headers Won % ( Attacking Set Pieces ) 1 vs 1 .. in the Air ..Fouls received ..Fouls aggressive ..with aggression .. ..Dribbles completed 1 vs 1 ..ground .. ..Dribbles made or completion per 90 minutes .. 1 vs 1 .... ground ... Dribbles accucary % 1 vs 1 ....ground .. ...Goals in penalties % ..Goala in Open Play ...% etc.. etc .etc ..
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I’ve already addressed this(why bergkamp may not have as many ESM selections as he could of) It is in the post before the one you just quoted I’m not interested in discussing Marcus Rashford vs Alan Shearer I may be more interested in discussing why premiership players in the 1990s and early 2000s were not valued as highly as the ones of today How a player like Alan shearer with his multiple 30+ goal league campaigns was considered a tier below his South American contemporary Gabriel batistuta(who never scored 30 league goals in his career once) or why washed up versions of Serie A superstars like George weah,Marcel dessaily,Gianluca vialli,Fabrizio Ravanelli,Ruud Gullit,Youri Djorkaeff etc came to England for a paycheck and already far removed from their respective peaks Yes even Ruud gullit Gullit was merely a very good player for Chelsea and a spectacular one for PSV/Milan/sampdoria There is a vast difference between the two and let’s not pretend as if it doesn’t exist It was Thierry Henry who came to England from Serie A as a failed winger(went on to become the best premier league player ever) And Dennis bergkamp who left Serie A as a player who completely failed to live up to the lofty standards he set at Ajax This may not be fresh in the memory for you but I can almost certainly guarantee you that it was fresh in the memory of those journalists 25+ years ago Was Gianfranco Zola even a markedly better player than paulo dybala? Seriously? Did Eric Cantona ever produce anything memorable at international level or European level? These were the biggest players in the 1990s/Early 2000s Premiership They all had serious question marks that were never fully addressed for large swathes of their career(or in bergkamp and cantonas case arguably never) The ones with fewer question marks were completely past it and to be honest I’m Placing extra emphasis on Serie A only because it’s something Thierry Henry and Dennis bergkamp have in common(their failure there) If we move away from Serie A there is also Jari litmanen(ballon dor podium player once upon a time) who came to England in 2001 as a crippled player and a complete shadow of his former self I don’t think even Thierry henry in his peak was receiving the plaudits his premiership performances deserved Not until he destroyed inter Milan at the san siro Then and only then did the world have to take a step back and reevaluate his standing Bergkamp never delivered something as devastating as that on the European stage so he deservedly went under the radar(And yes that’s exactly how it should work) Before the inter Milan performance in November 2003 Thierry Henry received 5 ESM monthly selections across his entire career from November 2003 up until the end of 2003/04 he received 5 more That is how football should work Being in the spotlight is something earned not given Once you’re in it the plaudits will come in until your performances no longer warrant them
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yes .... Thierry Henry .... there were two FIFA the best awards stolen from the front without any shame ..2003 and 2004.... in 2004 We know in Brazil that it was set up and bought for Ronaldinho Gaucho...to win this prize Award : by Nike, Joga Bonito...CBF..Fifa and Barcelona and Massive advertising campaigns around the Globe..." Planet Earth " Super-deifying Ronaldinho Gaucho non-stop even Cantona sold himself to the scheme in the Nike commercial at that time scheme widely denounced by Andrew Jennings.. the same thing happened with Ronaldo Nazario in 1996.. went to Barcelona and won the prize immediately.in 1996 .. and almost won Ballon D'or ..Of Matthias Sammer .. 1 point behind ..
... We know in Brazil that it was set up and bought for Ronaldinho Gaucho...to win this prize Award : by Nike, Joga Bonito...CBF..Fifa and Barcelona and Massive advertising campaigns around the Globe..." Planet Earth " Super-deifying Ronaldinho Gaucho non-stop even Cantona sold himself to the scheme in the Nike commercial at that time scheme widely denounced by Andrew Jennings.. the same thing happened with Ronaldo Nazario in 1996.. went to Barcelona and won the prize immediately.in 1996 .. and almost won Ballon D'or ..Of Matthias Sammer .. 1 point behind .. prevented this scheme for sure.. many times Teams like Portugal and the Netherlands to win more++ World Cups... for sure ;; Examples this France 1982 vs West Germany They took away Michel Platini's right to play in a World Cup Final. in 1982 against Italy ...