Who is the most overrated all time great?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Neron Nuñez, Jul 7, 2024.

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Who are the most overrated all time greats?

  1. R9

    10 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. Zidane

    8 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo

    19 vote(s)
    42.2%
  4. Ronaldinho

    8 vote(s)
    17.8%
  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    but ... C. Ronaldo has numbers higher as well ! .... C. Ronaldo has more ... Pre-assists .... than Ronaldo Nazario .... he was more left winger playmaker !


    Ronaldo Nazario at his peak ... was Tre-Quartista or Second Striker ... that drop deeper too much

    by the flanks ...

    he had too much Sprint Speed


    he runs greater distances ...always ... runs of 70 meters ... or even 90 meters sometimes ...
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024







    hahahahahha !
     
  3. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, I think one of his assets as well was sprint speed running with the ball (as well as the ball skills etc), at least when in best fitness. Maybe not the best instant acceleration but very fast to accelerate once into his stride and then able to run quickly with the ball under control too.

    Anyway, re: fouls and dribbles, if the R9 data I mentioned above could be trusted (more likely for fouls than dribbles I suppose) WhoScored only shows C.Ronaldo's 2009/10 La Liga season as somewhat comparable for both dribbles and fouls received potentially:
    Cristiano Ronaldo - History (whoscored.com)
     
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  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    ............Pre-Assists ... .. Ronaldo Nazario ????
    Average Of Pre-Assists ..Ronaldo Nazario ????
    Player Of the Match ...Ronaldo Nazario ????

    .. Hat-Tricks Goals .....................Ronaldo Nazario ????
    Hat-Tricks Assists .................... Ronaldo Nazario ????
    Passing Accuracy % ...................Ronaldo Nazario ????
    .Shots on Target ratio % ...................Ronaldo Nazario ????
    Yellow Cards and Red Cards ( disciplinary things (ratings) )...................Ronaldo Nazario ????
    ... Tackles Won per 90 minutes
    .... Interceptions ....
    Defensive Covers ....
    Duels Won ....
    Headers Won ..
    Clearences..
    Big chances created ....
    Key passes ....
    Dribbles made per 90 minutes ....
    Behaviour in big matches ( composure )
     
  5. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll let you do the research mate I think haha (if you want to)!

    One very good pre-assist was the one at the start here of course, but I tend to expect he wasn't a pre-assist machine as such anyway, generally:
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    at Football Manager .... i have one data extremely Interesting there ..


    but i think and showed it to Carlito 86 ... i think .... he didn't understanding the metrics at Football Manager



    i had one player called Unaij ... a portuguese Player ...


    he was the Ballon D'or in 2039 / 40 season !!!
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    You played a lot of seasons!
     
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  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    Enei Unaij A Portuguese Player BALLON D'OR 2039/40



    42 matches

    18 goals ( none of goals in penalty kicks )


    40 assists ... ( direct assists .... and indirect assists too)

    58 G+A ===== 58


    Player of the Match ...... 15


    Shots on Target ratio % ..... 66 % ....


    passing accuracy % ....... 79 %
    Yellow Cards ......... 6
    Red Cards ................0
    Aggressive Fouls ............. 12
    Dribbles made per 90 minutes ... 0, 78 per game
    Tackles won ........................ 2, 69 per game
    def job ................................ 6.5 per game
    headers won ..................................... 4 per game



    pay attention Dribbles made per 90 minutes ... 0, 78 per game


    is lesser than 1 per game

    same this way

    he was elected the Ballon D'or 2039/40
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    YES HAHAHAHAHA !!



    3 MILLIONS ALREADY .... I GUESS .... MAYBE ABIT MORE !
     
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  10. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    i





    for All the whole matches .... that i saw on my entire life ...

    Using the same metrics of Football Manager 2003 until 2024

    between Cruyff ... C. Ronaldo ...Van Basten ... Ronaldo Nazario ...



    1# Cruyff ...

    2# C. Ronaldo


    3# Van Basten
    Ronaldo Nazario drawned ... there ..!
     
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    For what it's worth on those metrics potentially the same could be said about 2004/05 it seems:
    Successful Dribbles - Messi vs Ronaldo Career Successful Dribbles Stats
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/miscellaneous-premier-league-stats.2079200/#post-36119992
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes.... everyone ... in The World .. takes or took the Statistics ... of Messi and Ronaldo Cris ..... ahhahahahahahahahha !


    i mean from that place...


    Messi vs C.Ronaldo ;;;the site i mean

    yes i saw before this !
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024






    it simple from now ahead ..

    only makes the average Of All the metrics there

    between Ronaldo Nazario vs C. Ronaldo ...

    hahahahahahha !!!
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    so you need to take ...


    for example ...

    Shots on Target ratio % .... Inter and Barcelona

    or

    Dribbles made per 90 minutes .... 1 game ...


    for example

    Shots on Target ratio .. % Ronaldo Nazario on Barcelona 59 % !
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think I will leave it to Sofascore mate lol (although I know you have your reservations about their data use/definitions, and probably they will not be adding stats for La Liga 1996/97 or Serie A 1997/98 - I'm not really sure whether Opta did already compile data for those leagues for those seasons, or from a couple of seasons later by the way; for Premier League they already did it to a more limited extent than nowadays from mid/late 90s and with different dribbles definitions as we know)!
     
  20. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    In theory yes, but like I say I won't be taking up the task of compiling them haha!

    Of course, I think everything can't be judged on stats anyway (football is a dynamic team game, every situation is different, things change between eras and matches etc etc)....
     
  21. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    ... Honestly ... in Brazil no one cares on SofaScore or Opta ...in general ! no problems ..each person is each person ..



    .......
     
  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    But Goal is the main Target of the Professional Football ...


    for sure Shots on Target ratio ..% is much more important than dribbles made per 90 minutes ...


    the place from Artist ... is made for Rembrandt ... Picasso ... not Footballers ...!
     
  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes for sure ... can be judged by The Metrics yes !!
     
  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    well for less it ...


    you understood ... All the metrics Of Football Manager ...


    hahahaha



    Carlito 86 .... don't ... or can't !
     
  25. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
     

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