Who is the most overrated all time great?

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Who are the most overrated all time greats?

  1. R9

    10 vote(s)
    22.2%
  2. Zidane

    8 vote(s)
    17.8%
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo

    19 vote(s)
    42.2%
  4. Ronaldinho

    8 vote(s)
    17.8%
  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    When i saw







    When i saw some whole Matches ... Alessandro Del Piero in big finals ...for Juventus ..times




    I realize that Alessandro Del Piero ... was .. the real
    protagonist for Juventus Turin ... 1996-97 .... 1997-98 ...1998-99


    not Zidane ...



    Zidane ..came ...


    after Alessandro Del Piero ... a grave injury ...


    .... when ... Zizou ... gave ... 13 assists or 15 assists ... 2000-01 ..Serie A Calcio ...


    But before ... Del Piero ..was
    the real
    protagonist for Juventus ...





    Del Piero ..

    0, 75 % behaviour in Big finals ..

    vs

    Zidane

    0, 59 % behaviour in Big finals...


    .....
     
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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Alessandro Del Piero ..

    was the real protagonist ..for Juventus ...




    so Why not ... Dennis Bergkamp ... Marco van Basten ... Ruud Gullit of being abit better or slightly better than Zizou " overall player " ?????????






    ........
    Richard Witschge
    1995–96 33 7




    vs


    Zidane


    ...
    1995–96 Division 1 33 6
     
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  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    even Davids ... ! sometimes !
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024









    .................. Is Interesting .. the mentality Of Pelé ...that he is speaking there ...


    Pelé speaking there..in the documentary..

    Despite having scored more than 1000 goals in my career..


    It's always a joy to do it again... a new goal... a new goal ... a new goal ...a new goal ..


    There would be no Football without the Goal

    in any sport. you have the maximum achievement


    In Football, the ultimate achievement is the goal..


    Pelé's Mind speaking ..with himself ....:

    Theoretically..The easiest way to reach the goal is to go straight through the middle, attacking zone 14 aggressively. with very very Aggression ...

    vertically is much easier than doing zig zag ..."

    If you have two players
    extremely quicker and Foresight.. Premonition..Intuition's Mind

    You attack by doing Plays one-twos..and narrowing the game..on the middle ... no fears at all ..

    and Attacking zone 14 or half-moon in brazilian portuguese .. a expression in Football from here .. in Brazil...


    ..and having ..an absurd Technique " ambi-dextrous feet "..then it is easier to attack through the middle ..and narrow ..in a matter of Milli-Seconds the move to make is decided on my mind ...


    Examples this...

    type

    Pelé and Coutinho ..
    Pelé and Pagão ....

    I don't know why... the teams... nowadays are afraid of attacking zone 14... playing in midfield. and narrow..


    They are playing now on the wings..and widen the field a lot..

    They say it's very difficult to play through the middle and narrow.




    Here is Wiliam Phil Gracek talking to you .. Peter Gabriel 1978 hahahaha ! ..

    I got the feeling that Pelé is talking about the 1974 Dutch team.. the mentality ..of the dutch Football ... or German Football ...
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  9. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #1134 PuckVanHeel, Sep 19, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2024
    I think Zidane was especially good in evening games, less so games in the afternoon. Evening games are generally tournament games but not always.

    Juventus was indeed built around Del Piero, but that is not the same as that Del Piero was really better.

    I also think Del Piero was better for Juventus than Baggio was (and than Totti would be). With fewer obvious flaws and quirks.

    Well, Witschge was indeed good for Bordeaux in this year. Similar end product, that is correct (with assists included). France Football rated Zidane as the 2nd best player of the club, Witschge 3rd best (Dugarry 1st). In average grade not that far behind the golden boy. Witschge also made the Sofascore team of the tournament for euro 1996.

    For club football you can make that idea (and also for De Bruyne; who only became really noticed by BdO after his 30s) but we have fared poorly in the Ballon d'Or in the last 30 years. Bergkamp was nominated a few times without getting votes (1999, 2000 for instance). Van Dijk only twice. I can already fill in how that will play out. Zidane won the World Cup; we have often (not always) the officiating against us with the margins being small.

    Repeat often enough that we are bad, freeze us out from the money, and it becomes reality. It becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Options narrow down and become closer. Maybe I don't know the full mechanisms behind what it is but the English football press has been hitting us for quite some time (World Soccer already did at euro 1988, starting with a series of negative remarks). I hate them. I hate the poseurs and pseudo professors, the masters of the second handicap.

    La Liga goals by foreigners (after 1992): 3rd European country behind France and Portugal
    Premier League goals by foreigners, non-UK (after 1992): 2nd behind France ("now known for doing well", wrote The Times this month)
    Bundesliga goals by foreigners (after 1992): 2nd behind Brazil
    Champions League (after 1992): also looks solid (as does the European Championships, only Germany stood more often in the semi finals)
    etc.

    Push that "booh, bad" button persistently for 30 years and it becomes reality.

    What you do see is a 'stall' for France and Italy after 1996. In the early years for France 'we' are solidly in the top 10 (then it was also #2 in the coefficients) but then moves out of the top 20 entirely, to never re-appear.

    Italy is a similar story. Top 4 until 1999 (the 1st European country in Serie A goals), then moved down.
     
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  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Typo; "Not known for doing well"...
     
  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    That might well be true but he played in a position of course that was less well regarded. An enforcer doesn't have the same standing as a number ten sort of player. Which is in general fair.

    Davids had however also an entertaining style and the glasses helped his (international) profile. I see him as good as Neeskens was but at the same time also slightly overrated compared to for example his contemporary Cocu.

    You can say he helped to bring the best out of Zidane, Nedved and Ronaldinho (and Bergkamp in euro 2000?). Ronaldinho in the second half of 2003-04 was maybe even better as what he was in 2005-06.

    Individual cases or often not easy, but again, there is a gigantic mismatch between the Ballon d'Or stuff and the most obvious performance indicators (like goals in the various competitions, national team Elo, number of semi finals since 1966). Push the buttons long enough and it becomes reality.
     
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  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    .....

    The best thing about Davids was his ability...to make great defensive coverages...or great recoveries



    Examples this :






    Go to ... 5: 18 minutes at Video ...


    for me one of the best def covers Of all time ... !


    and Claude Makelele ... Edgar Davids ...


    i wish to contract them .. at Football Manager always Neeskens too .. etc... !
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Go to 5: 00 minutes ..or 4: 58 there !
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    about other Players ... don't believe on this ... because ... i saw so many many whole matches ...


    Zidane ... Ronaldinho ...Nedved ...

    Playing .with Edgar Davids ...


    they had the same problems and the same virtues..Pros and Cons on average



    ..... more the same .. !
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    FooTball Manager Style .....

    Coach-Report on Ronaldinho :



    Highly negative points :


    Defending
    Tackles
    Interceptions
    Def Covers
    Duels Won
    Clearances
    Positioning
    Team work
    Ethic Work
    Composure
    Concentration per 96 minutes ( extra-time )
    Anticipating
    Decisions
    Decision-making Power
    Behaviour in Big matches ..Trembles in Big matches ( in Big Finals )
    Shots on Target ratio %
    Headers Won Def Set-Pieces
    Lacks Aggression on Zone 14
    Bravery
    Determination
    Off the Ball very very lazy sometimes
    Stamina
    Marking
    Tackling ..
    honestly Ronaldinho he didn't know or don't knew how to do any disarming with higher technique like Bob Moore did it always on career .....very very bad about this( Terrible on this )
    Work Rate
    Yellow Cards
    Red cards ... was bad too
    Disciplinary things
    Lacks Flair Of Goal ... makes ,,, alot Of Goals of Penalty taking ...( kicks)
    Lacks of Leadership
    Lacks of Stronger personality in career ..
    Tactically .. very very lazy player ...
    Fool Fouls sometimes
    call for responsibility to decide the matches
    Goals with the Ball rolling ..


    Average points over Ronaldinho :




    Headers Won .. Attacking Set-Pieces ... ( Far Post or Heading Accuracy Pass )
    Passing Accuracy ratio %
    Vertical Pass Attempts
    Diagonal Pass Attempts
    Big chances created
    Free-kick taking
    Passing skills ..
    BodyBalance
    Strenght
    Natural Fitness
    without .. Prone-Injury Player
    Classical Technique ...
    he was not too ambi-dextrous-feet in several aspects of the game ( Long range Pass )
    Shot Technique ( volleys ... lobs ... overheadkicks ... first Shots etc .. )
    Corner-kicks taking
    Curve
    Swerve
    Attacking

    highly positive points :


    Key-passes
    although many of these key passes mentioned here.. were easily blocked by defenses


    Dribbles made per 90 minutes ..
    creativity
    unpredictable
    Dribbling skills
    Ball control Skills
    First Touch Skills
    Penalty -Taking
    Vision
    Acceleration
    Agility
    Genius Moments ... sometimes ..







    for sure Davids ... don't changed ..this ..


    Pros and Cons of Ronaldinho !
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    PuckVanHeel


    so give me ... one Coach-Report Football Manager Style on Ronaldinho ???



    Pros
    and
    Cons


    on his vision ??
     
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    Jan 10, 2015
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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


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