Who is the most overrated all time great?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Neron Nuñez, Jul 7, 2024.

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Who are the most overrated all time greats?

  1. R9

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%
  2. Zidane

    8 vote(s)
    18.2%
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo

    19 vote(s)
    43.2%
  4. Ronaldinho

    7 vote(s)
    15.9%
  1. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    People shit on Reddit here but for pure comedy it is undefeated

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  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    yes Puskas super Genius ...


    10000 x times better than Ronaldinho Gaucho !




    par to par with Pelé and Messi as simple as that !

    Decision-making power !
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    yes.... C. Ronaldo 200 x times than Ronaldo Nazario as simple as that !
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ....yes.... C. Ronaldo 200 x times better than Ronaldo Nazario as simple as that !
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    I don't understood this part here ! Peter Gabriel 1978 ...Forrest ..


    Why do you think .so.this greater , beautiful goal by Puskas ..has not higher Value at the moment ... or before ???
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    But Is interesting his vision on Puskas !
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Expected goals, expected assists, pressures, carries, high turnovers and more | Advanced stats explained | Football News | Sky Sports

    A low value means that when the player receives the ball (in the example I was giving at 0:18 - maybe it's more likely to calculate these values when the player shoots, but I was factoring in what he did before the shot too) the chance of scoring seems to be low. Players scoring from low expected goals values often must be displaying outstanding goalscoring/shooting capabilities on the whole I think, although sometimes it can be that goalies or defenders make a bit of an error too, or that a shot gets lucky (in this case I think it's fair to say Puskas showed outstanding scoring/finishing capability though anyway, even if like I said in quite a typical way for him it seems).
     
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  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Btw, just one r in Forest Wiliam haha!
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  9. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think I would prefer in general to analyse expected goals at the point of receiving the ball anyway (although doing it at the point of shooting does say more about the shots themselves I suppose), and also maybe to think of 'expected assists' in a similar way (putting an expected value to the possibility of making an assist when receiving the ball - maybe that is not done as obviously expected assists (xA) seems as shown on that page to relate to the value after the pass has been made).

    For example Romario at 1:56 here (not at 1:59), or Michael Laudrup at 3:31 for the assist (in theory the actual xG value would be at 3:34 maybe or at 3:35 and the same as the xG value for Romario's shot I guess):
     
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  10. SayWhatIWant

    SayWhatIWant Member+

    Jan 10, 2015
    Distasteful and classless
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .....
    For example, in Football Manager, my technical team sends reports bringing information about these expected xG.. for the next matches.. and honestly I don't read any of them..

    I don't need this information to win every possible game...there .. !

    that's it man !
    hahahahaha
    is pretty cool at all and funny !
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .....
    well, about this comparison between Puskas at Real madrid 58-64 and Romário 89-94

    I think it's totally valid.. at the right manner or right point :

    They had extremely similar characteristics.:

    Positioning
    Decision Power " decision-making-power "
    extraordinary finishers
    equal dribbling style
    Technical kick
    Aggression
    Aggressiveness
    Leadership
    pivoting like a Futsal center forward
    Classical Technique
    Attacking
    Body Balance
    Strenght
    Heading Accuracy


    1 vs 1 against defenders

    knockout past the opponent ... 1 or 2 defenders !
     
  13. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    .........
    But Puskas

    on Honved
    and Hungary national team side

    he was a much more total player than Romário for sure


    Puskas marking ... tackling better than Romario

    a construct playmaking level

    infinitely better than Romário

    more Stamina too !
     
  14. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024




    Puskas


    Pass deeper ... 94-96
    Plays one-twos ...... 90-94
    Long Range Pass.... 92-93-95
    Crossing ...... 88-92
    First touch ....... 90-91
     
  15. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    xG What do you think so about xG it is the important thing for you ???
     
  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ... I know this man ! ahhahahahahaha !

    just kidding abit !
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Goal is Goal ... Peter Gabriel 1978 .. Forest ..! hahahaha !
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    ...
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Who was Better ... Gerd Muller vs Romário for you ???
     
  20. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    well ... ohhhhhhhhh nice man ... you finally ... explaining me about these concepts Of xG ...in Football


    honestly ..at Football Manager ... ..


    i never care about it ... there at the game. !
     
  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Not important as such no, I don't think so, but just one of these new ways of analysing things.

    It is a bit strange to see graphics on screen showing the xG numbers such as 1.73 or 5.32 etc! Indicating how many goals a team could/should have been expected to score (in those examples of course it indicates they had chances from which more often than not 2, or 5 goals, respectively, might have been scored with the same chances they had to shoot).
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think Romario was more skilled and a little more inventive, but somehow I tend to put Muller higher up in a best/top/greatest list, and I think (contrary to with some other examples) in this case I am estimating that Muller was tending possibly to be a bit more decisive and efficient, and giving the verdict to the player who has that advantage. I think he was better at shielding the ball (so that helps him be a not worse provider and team player possibly, as well as giving him more scoring chances in certain scenarios), and although they have similar capabilities in finishing and poaching maybe Muller is more reliable in that area too, and probably was more of a cool customer as it were in big games too.

    It could be wrong to think Muller was better (they did play in different eras, even if not decades away from each other, and that always makes it harder to feel sure I guess), and maybe in peak performance on a very good day Romario could be a little better or more spectacular (Muller did have some impressive and notable performances too though evidently).
     
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  23. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Gerd Muller was much more a Teamworker Player...


    But Gerd Muller was very very Good to play

    so many many Plays one-twos ..with Franz Beckenbauer ...showing .. + good Technique ..always on this.


    many many backheels passes ...great vision ... sense of Positioning .." overview on the field "

    Flair of Goal always ..

    Heading Accuracy Headers Won insane at all ..
    Marking Tackling ..much better than Romário ...

    yes .. Romario was more spectacular .. having a Puskas Style ... at all ..



    .....


     
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  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  25. songspkjatt

    songspkjatt New Member

    FC Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jun 29, 2018
    I would say Pelé because most of his goals were scored in unofficial games, and he also never played in Europe. Additionally, there aren't a lot of his matches on tape (though this is not the strongest argument; it’s just a preference)
     

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