Who is the most overrated all time great?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Neron Nuñez, Jul 7, 2024.

?

Who are the most overrated all time greats?

  1. R9

    10 vote(s)
    22.7%
  2. Zidane

    8 vote(s)
    18.2%
  3. Cristiano Ronaldo

    19 vote(s)
    43.2%
  4. Ronaldinho

    7 vote(s)
    15.9%
  1. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Uma andorinha sozinha não faz verão. Rivellino gastou a maior parte da carreira dele num Corinthians em frangalhos, manteve-se lá por honra. Quando saiu do Corinthians já era mais um Iniesta que um Zico, um jogador mais recuado, menos explosivo, ainda que mais cadenciador e estratégico.
     
    Wiliam Felipe Gracek repped this.
  2. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Mas o Ronaldinho foi melhor que o Kaka.

     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    Ronaldo Nazario
    against France

    he played well for sure


    doing good combinations

    with the little Robinho



    Robinho the best player from Brazil against France !
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    sim eu vi várias partidas completas do Rivellino ou Riva ou Bigode grosso !
     
  5. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    sim Ronaldinho Gaucho foi melhor que Kaka facilmente

    jogador de arrancadas e força fisica mais + stamina;;;

    com boa tecnica

    também mas honestamente não enche meus olhos de milagres ... vendo partidas inteiras de Kaká jogar ...é tedio puro !
     
  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    sim i agree with you dear mate !
     
    SayWhatIWant repped this.
  7. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Kaka e Adriano tinham que ser banco ali, desde o início. Robinho e Juninho, os titulares. O Adriano já estava fora de si em 2006 e o Kaka descompensava demais o time. Seleção tinha dado "certo" em 2005, mas 2006 foi um ano diferente de 2005 e não souberam adaptar.
     
    Wiliam Felipe Gracek repped this.
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    sim ... perdeu a mobilidade.. agilidade .. e a forma fisica de 2005 principalmente naquele jogo contra a Argentina ... 4 x 1 na Final ...


    Mas Argentina estava na fila já de titulos desde 1993

    não ganhava nada


    depois que tomou o Gol do Adriano Bebaça de chute potente de media distancia ...


    depois o Gol do Kaká

    Brasil colocou abalada Argentina ..( muita tensa já pela ausencia extrema de Titulos desde 1993 )


    na roda ..e. humilhou ..no Segundo tempo

    até parou de marcar mais+++ gols por respeito e dó ao mesmo tempo da Argentina .!
     
  9. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    upload_2024-8-13_1-48-34.jpeg




    Clarifications


    I am not a member of C. Ronaldo's Fan Boys

    on the contrary, far from it


    I'm a Pelé fan... Puskas and Di Stefano very very especially I cried by Puskas already on my life

    I'm a fan of the oldest Football... romantic...

    more+ maniac



    Football is a sport whose grass field is 105 meters long by 68 meters wide, a FIFA standard. Two teams made up of 11 players compete in a match in which the main objective is to score as many goals as possible. (FIFA CONCEPTS ON THIS GAME )


    o objetivo é marcar o máximo possível de gols.



    THAT IS, WIN A 7X6 FOOTBALL MATCH
    IT'S NOT A CRIME




    PUSKAS ... PELÉ ... DI STEFANO PLAYED ON THIS GOLDEN AGE OF THE FOOTBALL


    PELE AND PUSKAS HAVE NO BLAME FOR THE TEAMS THEN THEY PLAYED FOR 1-0 OR 2-1



    RONALDO NAZARIO FANS FORGET FROM THIS GREAT FOOTBALL TRUTH


    GOAL IS THE MAIN TARGET ...ALWAYS


    .........


    FANS OF ARTIST PLAYERS .....
    ORGET FROM THIS GREAT FOOTBALL TRUTH


    GOAL IS THE MAIN TARGET ...ALWAYS



    LIKE MICHAEL LAUDRUP ... OKOCHA ... RONALDINHO .. DENNIS BERGKAMP ...

    SEEDORF ....FIGO .... RIVELLINO ... TOTTI .... DJALMINHA ... ETC ....




    AGAIN I'M NOT A FAN OF C. RONALDO ...
     
  10. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    #310 carlito86, Aug 13, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2024
    If A fUlLy FIt PEaK R9 PlAyEd iN tHe ChAmPIonZ lEAgUe


    IMG_5089.jpeg


    1994/95 UEFA cup top scorer

    IMG_5088.jpeg


    IMG_5086.jpeg

    IMG_5087.jpeg

    IMG_5090.jpeg


    1997/98 UEFA Cup top scorers
    IMG_5091.jpeg
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997–98_UEFA_Cup


    Couldn’t outscore the Dundee United players(2 of them)
    IMG_5092.jpeg
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997–98_Scottish_Premier_Division


    Couldn’t even match the tally of Maurizio ganz who top scored the SEASON BEFORE PLAYING FOR INTER MILAN

    Dennis bergkamp who ‘failed’ at inter Milan top scored in UEFA Cup with more goals than R9 ever scored in a single European campaign


    Jurgen klinsmann in 1995/96 scored more than 2x

    what R9 did only 2 seasons previously
    But this is your standard of performing extremely well

    Peak Messi as great as he was would never survive being outscored in the champions league by not one but two different guys who played for teams near the relegation zone of the Scottish league.

    Pele would not survive it



    That is so incredibly humiliating but you are holding this as the standard of performing “very well” in Europe


    The kings of Europe look like this
    IMG_5093.jpeg

    They are out of sight and the ones beneath them all time greats.
     
  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    so the numbers are correct and true ! Congratulations Carlito 86 !


    to be honest always !


    i don't see wrong thing on this !
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    They are out of sight and the ones beneath them all time greats.

    perfect comment Carlito 86 !
     
  13. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    You mean, like the point I've made to you and you didn't responded cause you don't have arguments? I've never used ad hominem attacks for any poster. I have always preferred to use logical arguments that address the points my interlocutor has made rather than using logical fallacies like ad hominem, circular reasoning, straw man, etc...
     
    Wiliam Felipe Gracek repped this.
  14. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    Rivellino only won the placar magazine silver ball once (1971). Silver ball is evaluated game by game.

    Sofascore does a great job of reviving the image of players from the past. But we have to dig into other sources too
     
  15. Isaías Silva Serafim

    Real Madrid
    Brazil
    Dec 2, 2021
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Suas contas estão erradas amigo. Um drible pela definição da opta é passar por um jogador adversário mantendo a posse de bola. Se ele perde a bola, isso é uma tentativa de drible não sucedida. Tem vários dribles ali que você contou que não são dribles pela definição da opta
     
    Wiliam Felipe Gracek repped this.
  16. Al Gabiru

    Al Gabiru Member

    Jan 28, 2020
    #316 Al Gabiru, Aug 13, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2024
    Those numbers are great. Cr7's best season was 3.1 dribbles per game on whoscored. 5 were the same number of dribbles that statsbomb accounted for Ronaldo Nazario in 98 uefa final

    https://statsbomb.com/articles/socc...peak-inter-against-lazio-1998-uefa-cup-final/

    If Ronaldo Nazario dribbled 3.25 in 97/98, as the guy on twitter says, which I believe are credible numbers (because that's the player I remember and he showed he could dribble 5 times in two finals: copa del rey 96/97 and uefa final 98), they're great. Even more so because Ronaldo Nazario dribbled in a more dangerous area of the pitch and not always as a winger.
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024



    yes is right the numbers ....of Ronaldo Nazario


    i saw all the whole matches ..Inter 1997/98

    and

    Brazil 1998 World Cup 7 matches


    the average ..is 3, 25 per game until at maximum .. 5, 15 per game



    World Cup 1998 .... 3, 42 % per game 24 dribbles (7)



    But Shots on Target ratio % always will be much more important than dribbles made per 90 minutes



    -dribbles made per 90 minutes is a secondary metric on the professional Football !-




    Football is a sport whose grass field is 105 meters long by 68 meters wide, a FIFA standard. Two teams made up of 11 players compete in a match in which the main objective is to score as many goals as possible. (FIFA CONCEPTS ON THIS GAME )


    o objetivo é marcar o máximo possível de gols.



    Fifa speaks this way on Football !
     
    SayWhatIWant repped this.
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    é questão de respeitar as opiniões de cada um ou de cada outro também

    e mostrar com argumentos concretos e verdadeiros sempre aqui .



    Como nós fizemos já aqui


    entre

    Casemiro
    Sergio Busquets




    vs



    Patrick Vieira


    comparamos de forma amigavel e justa . !
     
  19. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    #319 Tropeiro, Aug 13, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2024

    He was almost winning three European titles in his peak season. 96/97 won European competition, 97/98 won European competition, 02/03 was injured in KO's and that was part of Real's downhill that season

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996–97_FC_Barcelona_season
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1997–98_Inter_Milan_season
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002–03_Real_Madrid_CF_season

    How is that bad?

    How is one appareance Eusebio's World Cup carrer objectively/factually better than leading two World Cups in G+A without including being the best Brazilian player in another one? Are you that awful?
     
    SayWhatIWant repped this.
  20. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    This is fine note to taking into account in his resume, unlike the typical mediocrity. Anyway for a reason, Rivellino as the main man for Brazil in two World Cup's (1974 and going to 1978, overcoming Zico).
     
  21. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    #321 Tropeiro, Aug 13, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2024
    Prime Cristiano Ronaldo was overrated, in the middle of his prime (2010-2014), he had two stinkers in the World Cup and Euro 2012 he was good not completing 1 dribble per match. In his dribbling prime (~2006) he was stat padding his dribbles against Angola or something, one of the most overrated World Cup's of OAT people still talk about.
     
    Neron Nuñez repped this.
  22. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Isaías Silva Serafim repped this.
  23. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    #323 Tropeiro, Aug 13, 2024
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2024
    ... and I still claim he did very well in his prime.

    He was almost winning three European titles for his clubs when fit (if you consider him "fit" in 02/03, too bad he wasn't even in the Ko stages) and he was crucial for his teams doing them. Am I a liar now? Are you slowly turning into Puck Van Heel's who called you a latin liar more than once? Life changes it seems.
     
  24. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    Você é bobo.
     
  25. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Isaías Silva Serafim repped this.

Share This Page