Right, here go's Sir Bobby Robson Brian Clough Alcholic Ferguson ( Man Utd, ) Shanks Busby Simple as, all great managers.
They always are to an extent, but you can't make too much out of it. Not unless you look at Shanks and Paisley in similar terms. More so, almost, given the whole "Boot Room" thing. Yeah - after they'd won the Championship and the European Cup. You're wrong otherwise - when Clough arrived, they were where they are now - languishing near the foot of the second tier of the English game. Three years later, they were European Champions. And he did it all with people like John McGovern (his first signing) and a young, raw Martin O'Neill.
If we're talking about Britain then I'm biased towards Nicholson, but would have to recognise Paisley and Clough's greater achievements. If we open it up to Europe then Hellenio Herrera was a force of nature, and Rinus Michels revolutionised the way the game was played (albeit he was lucky to have one of the greatest groups of players the game has ever witnessed).
Fair enough, but my point is that when he got there, he got them to spend-Francis was the first million pound transfer-yes? And Shilton was bought for a pretty hefty price tag-that's half the battle, getting players and Forest was willing to spend. I'm not really knocking him-he's for sure part of the conversation. I just think sometimes people talk about them like they were this "little ol' club," that won with journeymen players. Oh-Anderson, Shilton, and Francis were all there for the first European Cup-so no, it's not like he signed them after that first trophy: That team was: Shilton; Anderson, Lloyd, Burns, Clark; Francis, McGovern, Bowyer, Robertson; Woodcock, Birtles
What about Herbert Chapman? Took over at Huddersfield in 1920 (it was there first season in the First Division). In 5 years won 1 FA Cup and back to back league titles (they won a third in a row the year after he left). In 1925 came to Arsenal (who had never won anything or finished above mid table), and although it took him a few years to get things the way he wanted them his record in the 1930's was: 1930 FA Cup Winners 1931 League Champions 1932 League & FA Cup runners up 1933 League Champions He died in early 1934 but Arsenal went on to win the next two titles. He remains the only manager to have won multiple titles with more than one club. Also none else has won the FA Cup and league with more than one club. On top of this he was an advocate of floodlights, numbered shirts and white balls (all of which the FA refused).
That's because they did precisely that. Like I said - look at the timeline. Better yet, look at the XI that won promotion in 1976/77 and went on to win the Championship at the first time of asking in 1977/78. Think of it this way - imagine Joe Kinnear taking Forest from where they are now to promotion next season, the EPL title in 2006 and the Champions League in 2007. It's not the same these days, etc, etc. I know. But if you go back to 1977, then Forest were as removed from the financial elite as they are now. The gap bridged on the field, despite off-the-field muscle is every bit as vast. Seriously.
Well I did I knew the basics but... 1975 5/11 were on the team that won the first EC: Anderson, Bowyer, McGovern, O'Neill and Roberston. In 1976 add Woodcock. So 6/11 players were already there. And doing a quick count, of this group there is a total of 164 caps. So yes, we can look at the tables from back-in-the-day, and your point would be well taken. But there was quality there. Were they galacticos? No, but neither was it an outright rubbish bin.
I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned this name: The Austrian trainer Ernst Happel led Feyenoord to the '70 European Cup and then returned to the final 13 years later, leading Hamburg SV to glory in '83, one year after they had reached - and lost - the UEFA Cup final. Happel also managed the Belgian side Club Brugge from '73-'78 where he led the unfancied side to final appearances of the '76 UEFA Cup and the '78 European Cup, losing to those great Liverpool sides on both occasions. And he was in charge of the Cruyff-less Dutch side at the Argentina '78 World Cup where they just missed becoming world champions by inches, Rob Rensenbrink hitting the post in the last minute of regulation time against the host country. As far as international success goes, pretty impressive resumé if you ask me. Btw, as a player he was a member of the Austrian side that finished 3rd at the '54 World Cup in Switzerland. Austria's national stadium, the former Prater Stadion in Vienna, was renamed the Ernst-Happel-Stadion upon his death in 1992.
Fair enough, but by that same token there was a reason why that quality was in doldrums of the Second Division when Clough arrived and European Champions three years later.
Matt Busby. To come to the club with it really struggling, then build up such a team, have that killed off, and then rebuild a team good enough to win the European Cup again is phenomenal.
Whoever has; The eye of Wenger The Authority of Fergie The nous of Capello The passion of Scolari The Affability of Keagan The ethos of Menotti The cockiness of Mourinho The Longevity of Zagallo BG
Louis Van Gaal gets a mention? That's hilarious. According to Fifa, Rinus Michels was the world's greatest manager of the 20th century.
Hehehe I know. Still, if you're going to include a Dutch manager, let it be Rinus Michels and not Louis van Gaal. And you could make a real case for Rinus Michels, who's won everything except for the world cup. And even in that, he did pretty well I'm sure you'll agree.
Austrian manager who coached Holland, + Del bosque + Real madrid coach of late 50's + liverpool coach of 80s +hitzfeld
I'm biased towards Liverpool managers, with Shankly just getting the nod, as he built the foundations of England's most successful club, both domestically and in Europe. Don't get me wrong, what Paisley acheived was phenomenal, but it was Shankly who got the club into a position to challenge so regularly for trophies.