It looks like San Jose is going to get Walker, which may indicate that Colorado is willing to make a deal with us for Jordan's rights. Here's their current (2/11/03) roster, as of MLSnet: Kyle Beckerman - P40 Alex Blake Chris Carrieri Mark Chung Jason Cole Matt Crawford Robin Fraser Scott Garlick Gilles Grimandi - SI Wes Hart Chris Henderson Steve Herdsman Danny Jackson - TI Zach Kingsley Ritchie Kotschau Pablo Mastroeni Casey Schmidt Steve Shak Billy Sleeth John Spencer - SI Jeff Stewart Seth Trembly - P40 I'm guessing we won't be able to squeeze them to hard, as this the USA and good keepers just grow on trees. Does anyone know if they've still got an allocation?
We cant expect to get anything from a player we don't want. It would have been a different story if we had offered Jordan a reasonable contract.
Technically, I believe Jordan's rights are still held by the Burn since he was never waived by the team. Thus, I'd imagine that Colorado will need to send Dallas some sort of compensation. Most likely it'll be something like a 3rd round pick or two, but perhaps it will be a "player to be named later", i.e. the Colorado version of Miles Joseph or Justin Evans.
Yikes!!! As I'm posting this message, there's a Chicago Fire ad to the left of the message box... IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE ABOUT THIS???
How about Jordan and Broome for Zach Kingsley and Wes Hart....The reason for getting rid of Broome is once you guys see Gbandi play youll see why Broome had to leave, no dont get me wrong I like Broome but Chris is just too good. Plus Kingsley and Hart are verstile and young Just my thoughts
Idea may be moot now as apparently Walker has failed to come to terms with the Quakes. He's availble if the Rapids want him, I guess.
I am sure the Burn will get a pick for Jordan, I imagine a 2nd at the very best... most likely a third. San Jose just made a trade to get the #1 Suplimental pick from DC. That can only be to take Walker.
According to this: http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/sports/5162592.htm Walker is out of the picture in SJ, and maybe even in MLS. I wonder who they're looking at with the #1 pick in the Supplemental Draft that they traded Barclay to DC for? Surely it's not Brian Ching.
What about Beckerman as he's a Project 40 player? Give them Jordan and Broome, and we'll take Beckerman and a third rounder.
not that it would happen but.....if you didn't say pablo "the chicken head killa" mastro.......you need to move to chi town
Beckerman's a dmid/holding mid. We already have someone there: Jordan Stone. Beckerman doesn't have the speed to be a wide player and doesn't really fit in any other position besides dmid IMHO. I don't think we want to get rid of Broome yet. Something tells me we may see Gbandi inside.
Ian Joy, 21 year old LB from English third division, Salyer(when he signs)LB or RB, plus any of the remaining U20s who decide to go P40 after the U20 WYC. There's three to five quality players left who haven't turned pro yet.
Wanderer, If those guys are in the supp draft then I understand. But, I've yet to hear any consistent answer on who's going to be in it and who's not. I keep hearing that DiGi and Salyer won't be in it. Why? But that Joy may be. Huh? Onstad from Rochester? He hasn't even signed with MLS yet. I keep hearing that it's only going to include players who've already signed with MLS, but it's apparently not a waiver draft. Huh? So are Jordan, McKeon, A. Williams, Paule, Balboa, etc going to be in it? As for the U-20s, why would they sign with MLS now? Wouldn't it make more sense to wait until after their World Cup in March? That said, I"d be thrilled if the Burn could somehow pick up Salyer, Klaas, and Moor.
They Can't... Salyer is a full roster player so if you can get him that is fine, except of course for cutting someone. But P-40's are on the developmental roster so you can only have 6. Stone, Johnson, and COuntess, are three... The P-40 Burn draftee Jason Thompson, while out for the year costs a spot... FOUR. With the end of the A-League call up dea, one spot goes to a 3rd keeper... FIVE. Which means one spot for one of the three other picks: Michael Mariscalo, Mike Tranchilla and Andy Roseband. So ONE more P-40 could make it if you cut all three of the left over picks. Although I suppose you could put a P-40 on the full roster but it would mean cutting someone. The beauty of P-40 is fitting them on the Dev roster. http://www.3rddegree.net/season/dance.htm
True. But MLS will have more than one of these kinds of drafts should many of these players sign at different times. They'll come up with a 'dispersal draft' or something to that effect. And no, I don't expect the U20s to sign until after the WC, but we should be proactively seeking the best positions possible should those 'drafts' occur.
SJ might be coming back into the picture for Jordan too... from MLS confidential Quakes coach Frank Yallop denied he had made any contact with Onstad, who like Yallop, is a Canadian citizen. "Where did you read that?" Yallop said Wednesday. "That's a new one. Pat's a good keeper, but there are other ones out there, like Matt Jordan."
1. Kyle Beckerman is an A-mid, not a D-mid. Not even close to that position. And since he's about the only close to an A-mid Colorado has (other than moving Henderson or Chung over), he'll stay. 2. I can't think of any players Colorado would be willing to trade that you'd want. You would certainly take Mastroeni, Grimindi, Spencer or Garlick b/c they'd be improvements over what you have or they'd start for you. But Jordan isn't worth any of those players to Colorado. Anyone else they'd trade would likely just sit for you and result in someone else (Stone, Broome, Thomas) being cut. What's the value in that--especially if it doesn't add improve your roster and/or performance much? I'd bet you get either a draft pick or "future considerations." Maybe even only a conditional draft pick. Remember, Jordan is going to Colorado to be their backup keeper. 3. Walker priced himself out of MLS. He's actually quite good, did a fine job for Catolica, beat out a national teamer at goal for the starting job there. He won't sign for peanuts. 4. The supplemental draft (coming up Feb. 28) is ONLY for players who are currently under contract with MLS but are not assigned a team. Thus, players not under contract (which probably means guys who were renounced or didn't get contracts extended--like Zarco, Harkes, Balboa) and guys who are waived aren't in the draft. Digiamarino (b/c of the interest in him) is supposed to go in a weighted lottery. Unclear about Salyer--he's trying out with teams but appararently hasn't signed with MLS yet (part of the issue is that MLS won't sign him until a team indicates they are interested in him. For instance, MLS didn't sign Walker b/c no team indicated they were interested in him at the price he was asking). 5. Yallop screwed up with the supplemental draft. He indicated he was interested in Onstad. Except it turns out that Onstad (who signed with MLS) still has a valid contract with Rochester. The lancers threated to sue SJ and MLS for tampering and are demanding a transfer fee (which MLS won't pay). Onstad and Yallop played on the CNT together and Yallop had publicly indicated he had interest in Onstad. Now he appears untouchable. Instead, Brian Ching looks to be his choice. He's the only non-roster invitee that SJ took to Spain for the La Manga tournament (which is going on during the supplemental draft--it obviously wouldn't work to take him there and not select him, or have another team pick him in the middle of the tournament, especially since they're short on forwards with DeRo's broken foot and the trade of Barclay). 6. The way to understand the supplemental draft is this: it's for any players who typically would have been in the superdraft (graduating seniors, P-40 players, guys who have signed with MLS but haven't been assigned teams and no team has a claim on them or their rights) but missed the superdraft. Ian Joy signed with MLS than flunked his physical and was pulled out of the draft (he's since argued he flunked it for a 5 year old injury). I didn't think Salyer had signed. Tennyson hasn't signed with MLS. Connelly says that Onstad had signed (see above about the contract with Rochester--obviously someone is confused here). 7. BTW, don't automatically assume you've got the A-league to rely on for keepers (or other players). There is no agreement between MLS and USL this year. MLS formally advised all teams to carry 3 keepers on their roster b/c MLS had no provisions for teams to pull up a third keeper if someone got hurt or called up. Arrangements with individual teams may be possible--that is unclear (see Rochester is demanding a transfer fee for Onstad or won't allow him to even talk to SJ, let alone workout or practice with them).
I'm assuming Salyer would beat out Bussey and the 3 college draft picks. (Tranchilla, Rosenband, Mariscalo) Even though the USL affiliation is dead, individual MLS clubs are apparently still allowed to work out individual agreements with PDL or A-League teams. Metros-Metros Black, Fire-Milkwaukee, DC-Richmond, Crew-new Ohio PDL team, etc Maybe the Burn should look into this for Comfort and the 3 other college guys.
The Burn has a good relationship with Altanta, but nothing official. As of now there is no agreement between the Burn and any "affiliate" Don't be so sure Comfort will be the choice as 3rd. I liked Paul Naggy better, and since he is without a team and living in Dallas, he might be willing to sign Dev roster as well.... But since they don't have a 2nd keeper signed yet, it might be early to be thinking 3rd. Although it does look like it is gonna be Cassar. Beating the 3 rookies and Bussey doesn't do Salyer any good, as those 4 are already on the outside looking in. Salyer has to beat a more established player. Unless the Burn don't sign a SI/Discovery player type.... then he could have that slot. Read the roster dance you will see what I mean.
Thanks for keeping the roster dance up-to-date each week. One question. Are the players in the Full Roster listed by their relative job security with the team? If so, it seems as though you might want to move Rhine and/or Cerritos a little lower down the list, and Broome and/or Chivas a bit higher up the list, etc. BTW, isn't it Shavar Thomas, rather than Shaver Thomas?
Glad you like it. Kinda, Sorta.... In a general sense. But not a "first 11" by any means. All of which is my OPINION based on what I see in practice and hear from coaches. Cerritos is essentially untradable (due to cap number and injury) and under contract, he's not going anywhere. Rhine has proven he can produce (not a superstar, I said produce) at MLS level and has (in relative terms) a great cap number. He is a hard worker and a great locker room guy. With the trade for Davis and with Gbandi coming along, Chivas and Boome's status has slipped... Plus Chivas came into camp stunningly out of shape and is in the "dog house." Plus Behncke is looking really good and is climbing. Yes... Damn Spell Chcker....