White House to Project Record Deficit

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Chicago1871, Jul 28, 2004.

  1. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    White House to Project Record Deficit
    Ya think? But really, whats a couple hundred billion here and there.
     
  2. br13

    br13 New Member

    Jun 12, 2003
    Houston, TX
    4th. Worst. President. Ever.
     
  3. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
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    Colorado Rapids
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    United States
    Was this timed purposefully to coincide with the DNC, or are they just all too happy to add fuel to the fire...
     
  4. purojogo

    purojogo Member

    Sep 23, 2001
    US/Peru home
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    They are masters of spin...wouldn't surprise me if they announce official figures by Friday afternoon, as they tend to do....
     
  5. Chris M.

    Chris M. Member+

    Jan 18, 2002
    Chicago
    Keep in mind that this does not include the extra 50 billion they will ask for as supplemental reconstruction money for Iraq after the election.
     
  6. TurtleHawk

    TurtleHawk Member

    May 6, 2000
  7. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    Yeh! and we now control those Afghani poppy fields....Oops!

    Sorry, I was just going to point out 4 years ago we had a surplus. So it's actually more than $420B.
    We can always announce another tax break for the top 10%.

    But we'll just keep borrowing money from Japan and China, that'll keep them right in our pockets.
     
  8. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan AN INTERVIDUAL

    Apr 8, 2002
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    What's the difference, really, between this admins policies toward most Americans, generationally, and the policies of a hypothetical admin we might conceive of that actually hates most Americans, and only mollifies that sensibility publicly to get into office.

    When your policy becomes relatively indistinguishable from a general policy of hate toward most Americans, that's a problem, to sort of understate it a bit...
     
  9. "Right Wing Wacko"

    "Right Wing Wacko" New Member

    Apr 29, 2004
    England
    You're right, to a debt that can never be repaid it's nothing.
     
  10. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    That kind of money would get the Parliment pretty ********ed up on cognac and champagne. Not that they need more to drink, but...
     
  11. TheSlipperyOne

    TheSlipperyOne Member+

    Feb 29, 2000
    Denver
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    But it's not as big as they originally predicted.
     
  12. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Have the Democrats offered anything but lip service to the importance of holding down the national debt? No.

    Although the deficit is an issue in that it reflects policy priorities of the present Admin and Reeps in Congress, it is not an issue in and of itself like it was in the 1990's ... mainly because Ross Perot is not around.
     
  13. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    If by "no" you mean "yes," you're correct.

    You know that clip the Reeps play of John Kerry saying he voted for the $87B before he voted against it? He voted FOR the Dem. version that paid for the aid to Iraq by taking back some of Bush's tax cuts, and voted AGAINST the version that just put the whole thing on the credit card.
     
  14. tcmahoney

    tcmahoney New Member

    Feb 14, 1999
    Metronatural
    I think this is where the phrase "the soft bigotry of low expectations" comes into play.
     
  15. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    I have only heard John Kerry say that the tax cuts are wrong because they go to the wrong people. I think he will be better on fiscal responsibility than Bush (hard to be worse) but I have not heard Kerry say that a balanced budget (or smaller deficit) or the national debt an important issue. If he has said it, the message isn't getting out very clearly. As far as I can tell, there are very few budget hawks left in Washington.
     
  16. "Right Wing Wacko"

    "Right Wing Wacko" New Member

    Apr 29, 2004
    England
    Don't know if your trying to have a pop at the UK or not here but FYI no national debts can be repaid, it's impossible. Have a look at a graph of national debts, anyone's will do. Up, up, up, up they go. Sooner or later though...
     
  17. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Yes, that was my little shot at the English. I never claimed they could be repaid. Take a look at a graph of the US deficit for 2004, then go back, back back a couple years. Tell me what you see.
     
  18. phats_away

    phats_away Member

    Jul 28, 2001
    Atlanta, Ga
    http://www.johnkerry.com/issues/economy/fiscal_responsibility.html
     
  19. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    Too bad. I thought you were talking about the P-funk
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    See the years 1993 through 2000
     
  21. "Right Wing Wacko"

    "Right Wing Wacko" New Member

    Apr 29, 2004
    England
    It's a part of a larger inherent flaw which only looks good/bad when you don't know the reason for it, over long periods you HAVE to have deficits in a growing economy to increase the money supply if not you have recession, who presides over them is irrelevent.
     
  22. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Here's one quote from Kerry's website:

    "John Kerry and John Edwards know how to spend responsibly, and they believe that Americans deserve to expect more than record deficits and reckless spending. In their first term, they will cut the deficit in half and cut taxes for middle-class Americans and small businesses while funding better, more affordable health care for all Americans, improving our schools, and securing our country."

    In 1980, George Herbert Walker Bush called this voodoo economics.

    Here's a second quote:

    "Restrain Spending Growth. John Kerry and John Edwards are committed to ensuring that domestic discretionary spending does not grow faster than inflation. (This excludes defense, homeland security, health, education, Medicare, Social Security, and other mandatory programs)."

    Any idea how much discretionary spending is left if the budget deficit is cut 1/2 and these programs can have increases over inflation? I don't. I don't think John Kerry does either.

    Until I hear Kerry come out for something that is either unpopular with a large voting block (like means-testing social security or even just raising the age threshold to 70) or politically risky (cutting defense), I'm going to assume his statements on the budget aren't very useful or honest.
     
  23. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    But now is 2004. See the difference? Also, are you going to give a Republican congress their share of the credit for 1993-2000?
     
  24. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
    Brooklyn
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    I'll give them their share from 1995-2000, but the defecit reduction plan passed in 1993.
     
  25. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    Huh?

    Kerry is on record for repealing the tax cuts that have been given to the upper class. That will raise revenue to reduce the deficit.
     

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