Which players have the most to gain/lose under Poch?

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  1. OWN(yewu)ED

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    And why? Honestly not sure so I figured I’d ask.

    I figure goalkeeper gets the first overhaul especially if Turner can’t secure a move

    Trying to think of anyone with notable history with him and nothing crosses my mind either
     
  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    CB and defensive mids will be the most interesting.

    Poch counterpresses, builds out of the back and likes to be aggressive offensively. Our best defenders in space are not great with the ball and most of our CBs who are better with the ball are amongst our worst in space.

    What choices does he make here in terms of defense, build up, etc. will affect and be affected by who he chooses for CB and defensive mid roles. I'd say keeper as well, but we don't really have anyone who can play out of the back super effectively, so I'm not sure that matters as much.

    I have no idea which way he goes.
     
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  3. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

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    Mar 18, 2019
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    CB and GK are positions that may see some significant changes. Especially the former if we Poch considers using a 3-man backline.

    If I had to pick a single player that could really increase his stock w/ the USMNT it would be M. Tillman... GB's formation really valued speed at winger which isn't the way Tillman would play it.... and it didn't have a traditional 10 which hurt him and Gio. On a related note, Tillman looks to be locked and loaded w/ PSV and could put up some serious numbers whereas Gio's position w/ BVB is still a bit up in the air. IMO, Tillman has a legit chance to push Gio for that creative MF slot.

    Players that I think could see their position w/ the USMNT change for the worse are: Weston, Weah, Scally, Lund and LDLT
     
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  4. Shaster

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    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    Jonny as a South American style who is GOOD enough to make Brazil team will have his stock up. He took Caiceido over Adams and Musah is kind of like Caiceido.
    Stock down is Claudio. I can imagine Poch says “Claudio, as my dear country man, as an Argie told an Argie, Amigo, cut your crap.” LOL.
     
  5. largegarlic

    largegarlic Member+

    Jul 2, 2007
    Yeah, I was going to say Adams might be a stock down pick. Berhalter always seemed to go back him if he at all close to healthy (and maybe he shouldn't have). Pochettino presumably won't have that attachment and won't be able to call up Adams at all for at least the first window. Guys like Cardoso, Tessmann, or even A. Morris or Maloney might have a chance to get into his good graces early and push Adams out of his auto-starter spot.
     
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  6. Clint Eastwood

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    I don't think we have any idea.

    .........................but I suspect he doesn't know MLS as well as if we'd hired a domestic coach like Nancy or Cherundolo.

    When an outsider first comes in they normally start with the status quo and adjust while they do the necessary scouting.

    But ultimately its a clean slate for everybody.

    What I do know is this board will complain about the selections no matter what.
     
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  7. OWN(yewu)ED

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    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
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    Yeah there are no favorites with Poch everyone ya starting from scratch here I’m sure
     
  8. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    That due to the shit called Leadership Council.
    The Leadership Council ran the team. Before last World Cup, the council had Yeddlin, Long, etc. They smashed on Gio on his attitude (nothing wrong with that but problem is that they don’t carry the way as Ream has. Young players like you are old guys but you don’t belong in the team if you didn’t suck the coach’s ball etc).
    I suspects Jessy was intended hiring but derailed by Leadership Council. So Gregg owes then a big favor. They ran the camp and the selections.
     
  9. OWN(yewu)ED

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    there are few coaches that come in and it’s widely assumed that the fan base should shut up, color , and let the man cook (at least at first). This is one of them
     
  10. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Brooks will get a clean slate.
    A. Morris is currently playing in double-pivot in a 4231 with Middlesbrough.
    Tillman is starting at A-mid in a 4231 with PSV.
     
  11. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Aaronson is an obvious pick for potential gain - his experience in a pressing high octane offense may benefit him.
     
  12. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I'm guessing the Leadership Council will lose significant clout, if it is kept around at all.
     
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  13. Clint Eastwood

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    Yup.

    I don't know if he has enough time to scout out the ingredients. :)

    He's only got a couple of weeks before he needs to name the September camp roster.

    So that's very likely going to be status quo. The evaluations and ruthlessness come later. :)

    I'll just add, people may not like the cuts. Everyone is making the assumption that he's going to opt to switch out guys they personally don't like. But it could very well be that somebody's favorite like Sargent or Wright or whomever is deemed surplus to requirements. While Pefok is given another chance.

    We'll see. People thought Klinsmann would do one thing and then he didn't do what we thought.

    I'll just say, by and large, folks were pretty happy with Berhalter's Copa roster. There were one or two guys folks would have switched. It wasn't really the ingredients people were unhappy with. About 90% of that roster picked itself.
     
  14. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

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    Sure.....................but there's always the equivalent of a leadership council in a locker room.

    I think the power of the leadership council is vastly overplayed here.

    Berhalter used it for disciplinary matters, etc. Like the Reyna kerfuffle at the World Cup. There is no evidence it was used to make roster, personnel, tactical, gameday, etc. decisions.
     
  15. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

    Apr 13, 1999
    El Cerrito, CA, USA
    This idea is Southgate invention and he passed to Gregg. LOL.
    In US team, there is NO ONE beside Puli should have any privileges. Not Weah, not Wes, not Adams, not Dest, not Gio. Everyone has to work their axxs to have a chance to be called up, to be start a game, to be sub in the game. Those are honorable moments to represent your country, and don’t take it as your rights.
     
  16. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    They talked about Gregg as though he were their buddy. And Gregg talked up the 'Council'. In terms of what they were hoping to see in the new coach, 'ruthlessness' and 'accountability' were cited. I don't pretend to know what went on behind closed, but the optics are of group that had become too comfy in the knowledge 'their guy' wouldn't touch their positions.

    I also don't think there is the equivalent of a formal leadership council in every locker room.
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

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    Sure, but I'd argue that after the end of the 2018 World Cup and that toxic locker room environment.......................that was by design. Gregg thought that more comfy locker room for the players, one they wanted to be a part of, was a necessary change.

    I just think the authority of that leadership council is a little different than what people are saying here.
     
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  18. Shaster

    Shaster Member+

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    I am not sure the disciplinary part. If you watched the WC vs. Dutch, Yeddlin as one member of leadership council who kicked the head of Ake while he was in the ground. That is a RED card. But also look on red cards of Wes, Dest, and Weah, even Puli could get a red card in later of Panama game. I didn’t see much disciplinary thing going on.
    If you plays for Argentina or etc., you do this kind of stuff costing team difficulties, you would NEVER be called again in your this life, next left and next after life.
     
  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

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    If I was a coach coming in with only a couple of weeks to prepare for the first roster selection, I'd watch as many games as possible from the previous year. Particularly Brazil, Colombia, and the Copa America.

    Some guys have had good 2024s, and some haven't.

    If I was a bigger name who hadn't performed well in 2024, I'd be most concerned about the ax.
     
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  20. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    I don't think anyone has claimed they had authority over tactics or whatever.
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
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    Well, I'm reading this thread and people have gone off the effing deep end with it.

    Instead of having a captain and vice-captain make decisions, Berhalter had a group of 4-5 make the same decisions.

    So what are we complaining about here?

    Instead of Pulisic and McKennie being asked to assist in these disciplinary matters it was Pulisic, McKennie, Ream, and Adams.

    And people are acting like it was more than that. Like this "gang of four" was running the USMNT. They weren't. Every article actually written about the leadership council makes that clear.
     
  22. OWN(yewu)ED

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    also agree that basically Pulisic is our only lock/untouchable right now. Even McKenzie, Reyna, weah, adams, the like are gonna have to earn it now .
     
  23. OWN(yewu)ED

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    I agree with just about everything there. I only disagree with the struggle adapting the pool. Poch is of the quality where we think a dedicated snd thorough coach can get their initial bearing in one month and have an idea if what they want to work with. Bielsa did before he took over Leeds and looked like or knew the squad forever. I don’t expect the literal exact level of perfection, but my expectations are now very high. Poch is adept enough to get his pulse on this team with a month ti get ready IMO , so we are already on a right foot there
     
  24. sandcastle

    sandcastle Member

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    May 26, 2020
    Meola went off on the Leadership Council a few days ago. It seems it spent less time doing what's expected of a captain and more time on their seniority perks. Likely created an echo chamber where the public has only heard from the staff and players that have pushed their narrative of success.

    We've seen players outside this group provide more on-field support to their teammates and off-field communications between players frequently does not include such 'leaders'. My guess is if the players voted on their captains, it would be a much different list.

     
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  25. Seanin

    Seanin Member

    Feb 14, 2003
    Anyone with an unsettled club situation is vulnerable; anyone not playing or performing at club level is vulnerable. That means McKennie, Reyna, Adams, Luca, maybe Musah and Weah, definitely Turner. Definitely everyone is on a shorter leash.
     
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