Which MFL players can be extremely successful in MLS

Discussion in 'Mexico' started by Deleted USer, Jun 17, 2004.

  1. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    This here is a tribute to Coronaman (JLG). HE is at it again with his chicolocolum theorums.

    Lets discuss :D
     
  2. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The tall goalie you guys used in the game in Dallas.

    The tall centerback in that same game. Think he wore #14. He seemed ideally suited for the power game, appeared strong in the air. Seemed athletic enough. Salary requirements would be a problem. Would he want to play for $500k (tops)? He'd be better off securing a transfer to Spain or something.
     
  3. Deleted USer

    Deleted USer Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    His name is Paco "Masa" Rodriguez. Various Styles rides his nuts like thier is no tomorrow. I dont see it though. He has talent, but it appears the guy is too tall the oxygen doesnt get up to his brain cuase i have seen him commit some bone head errors.
     
  4. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
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    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    jose cancela :D
     
  5. El Cabrito

    El Cabrito Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Ca
    I think the better question would be which MFL player couldn't be succesful in MLS.
     
  6. Hecho en Mexico

    Hecho en Mexico Member+

    Mar 22, 2002
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    i agree. :D
     
  7. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So you're saying he's not polished enough to play. The bonehead errors should go away with time and more big game experience, I suppose.
     
  8. Tecos

    Tecos Member+

    Apr 8, 2003
    Chicago
    Club:
    Tecos UA de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico

    Yea thats what I think... he is only like 22-23 and hasn't been playing that long. He has all the tools
     
  9. ChivAfanAtiko

    ChivAfanAtiko New Member

    May 19, 2004
    Mexico
    Maza
     
  10. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    none have been.Why is that?
     
  11. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
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    America de Cali
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    Colombia
    So you don't think Jose Cancela has been succesful?
     
  12. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    he plays for my team, the Revs.I would say he has been OK- not good, not bad.He has certainly NOT been a big success-unfortunately.:(
    who did he play for in MFL?
     
  13. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    I think the guy who would do best in MLS, from what I have seen, is Borghetti. He is strong, brave ,reasonably skilled and can score. I think he is a good player.
     
  14. sidspaceman

    sidspaceman Moderator
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    Feb 20, 2002
    AMÉRICA DE CALI
    Club:
    America de Cali
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    IIRC he played on Cruz Azuals reserve team.
     
  15. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    in truth there has been no MFL player who has been a big success in MLS. I am sure there are some MFL players who would be a big success, but the money is good in Mexico, so the motivation to move is not there.If/when we have Chvas USA, it could get interesting, as the boss may pay to get a top Mex player.
     
  16. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara

    The goalie is Oswaldo Sanchez and the center back is Francisco "Maza" Rodriguez both of them Chivas players. Oswaldo is easily six feet tall with Maza being at least six two. Anyways i agree with your description of Maza. Many users in this board cant understand why he is getting called up to the National team. In an interview with Lavolpe he stated these same qualities as to why Maza is in the Nat team. He just played his first full year in first division after having played in second Division and in both squads he has played a final. He should be in the World Cup team and by that time be a well polished defender..


    To answer the question as to who would make an impact in the MLS. Just by his name alone that would be Cuauhtemoc Blanco. However i would put my money on players like Gerardo Torrado, Francisco Palencia and Ramon Morales whose hard work ethic would be welcomed in a league that prioritises it over fancy foot work.
     
  17. CD Guadalajara SA

    CD Guadalajara SA New Member

    Jun 21, 2004



    Agree for the most part, but Cuauh????? its pretty hard to be succesful on the pitch if you get jailed next time you set for in the states. And what you said sort of contradicts itself, MLS does prioritize work ethic, but Blanco is FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRR from being an ethic player, but he scores goals so thats fine with me.
     
  18. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    what about Borghetti? I don't mean to start a nasty spat, but when El-Tri melted down at the end of the US-Mex WC game, Borghetti shook hands with the US players at the end of the game. Most El-Tri players do not have a very good reputation in the States for sportsmanship, but Borghetti's sportsmanship was noted in the US press.
     
  19. metroflip73

    metroflip73 Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    NYC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sportsmanship? If you think about it, kinda irrelevant. After all, Pescadito plays in MLS.

    Maza and Sanchez are easily adaptable to MLS physical style. Not that they want to be in MLS, but Maza, Sanchez and Borguetti seem more suited for Euro (especially the northern countries) play than most players I've seen. Germany, England, Holland all could be destinations for these players. It's also possible in the future, Mexican players of this type could be coming thru the pipeline with more frequency. It'll be all the better for your program. , if you think about.

    Just a thought. Thanks for the responses.
     
  20. Bill Schmidt

    Bill Schmidt BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 3, 2003
    Washington, DC
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ha, ha! The answer to this question is "at least any one who is starting."
     
  21. AMEPUNKANIST

    AMEPUNKANIST Member+

    Dec 16, 2003
    Club:
    America Propria
    Umm...Osorno aint starting, and he could make the top 5 in scoring leaders. or top 6
     
  22. Rusty_Shackleford

    Mar 24, 2004
    I think the reason most MFL players dont find success in the MLS is because most of the ones they have gotten in the past are a little old. You really cant expect a Luis Hernandez or a Hugo Sanchez to make that much of an impact at the age they signed them.

    That being said, I think Omar Bravo would be the best player suited for MLS for some reason, probably because he's young, and I think he could suit the style of play the have.

    also, how is the one guy for Colorado doing in MLS? I havent followed MLS much this year.
     
  23. El Sabio

    El Sabio New Member

    Jun 23, 2004
    Madison, WI
    Hi all I'm new to these boards.

    I think probably most above average and even some average players in the MFL could be top players in MLS.

    The case of Jose Cancela. I saw a game or two from MLS where Cancela was playing and they (this was the opinion of the commentators anyway) were saying how he was the key man, how the creative play all needed to flow from him and he was some top player.

    If I remember right, he played for Puebla for 1 season, and even for them, was a very bit, bench warming player. So that shows a little bit about it.

    I frequently hear the case about how "star" Mexicans have failed in MLS. But if you look at who's actually gone to play there, and when, it tells you something. Campos is the exception, he went and I think he actually did very well, and I remember MLS people saying he was phenominal and all.

    But then you had Hermosillo go. At the tail end of his career, when he couldn't run anymore and was basically a spent force. As an old man he no longer had the power anymore to do what he used to do.

    Luis Hernandez? As most Mexican futbol fans know, Hernandez was a late bloomer. When I first saw him in 94-95 era I was excited by his possible Tri future but he was alrready 27 or so! He had debuted in 1990, but spent many years before breaking the bigtime. His peak was probably in '97, especially at the 97 copa america, and WC qualifing for El Tri. Even by WC'98 he was losing his speed a little . '99 was still okay, but he went dowhill fast after that, and I mean fast. Hernandez was a player based mostly on speed and acceleration over "the first 5 yards." His skill level was nothing out of the ordinary, so when his speed went, he lost his danger, probably lost confidence, and his skill set wasn't enough to still make him good. (contrastingly like when Valderrama got older he lost what speed he had, but was still very effective because he was good due to skills rather than athletisicm)
    Although Hernandez did seem to fade quicker than most, he was done by 2000. Personally I thought it a shame he was taken to WC2002, probably done more for team spirit or something.

    So when Hernandez got to MLS he was slower, old, and a spent force. Not a star player anymore for sure. But the MLS directivos obviously paraded him as such, similar to Hermosillo to draw the LA fans.

    Who else has been there? Damian Alvarez early on in 96 and 97 I think. He was an above average player who had a couple caps for Mexico. But I think he did start for the Burn? during all his time, and was a main goal scoring threat.

    I can't think of many more right now. But also you can look at so-so extranjeros in Mexico emigrating to MLS and becoming well-regarded players. I think Abdul Thompson did that too, he was with Monterrey for a short time then went to MLS to more success. Perhaps Cancela too.

    By the way I' don't intend to rip on MLS, it's a respectable league, but not the quality of MFL skillwise. Power football is another matter, MLS has that.
     
  24. AMEPUNKANIST

    AMEPUNKANIST Member+

    Dec 16, 2003
    Club:
    America Propria
    welcome aboard el sabio!
     
  25. Hecho en Chivas

    Hecho en Chivas Member+

    Apr 22, 2004
    Chulajuana
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    Hernandez went downhill since he got that injury after Copa America '99 and soon after went to LA Galaxy. it's a shame that he's pretty much washed up now because he was the heart of the national team between 1997-1999. he was a great player to watch.
     

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