Which internationals do you get rid of?

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by fennsk, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. fennsk

    fennsk New Member

    Jan 30, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    With all the international players on trial, and the Ruiz replacement possibly coming, which current international would you be willing to unload to make room for other international players?
    Choose as many as you like.
     
  2. fennsk

    fennsk New Member

    Jan 30, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Meant to do this as a poll, but we'll discuss instead
    current internationals are:
    Richetti
    Toja
    Serioux
    Davino
    Saragosa (likely to get green card soon)
    Oduro
    Ricardinho
    Mina
    probably Andre Rocha

    to my mind Mina, Ricardinho, and Oduro are the most expendable if we bring in a striker, and with the ridiculous depth at D-mid, getting value for Ricchetti or Serioux could make a lot of sense, too.

    Or maybe you trade for another club's international spot that they wouldn't use.
     
  3. Quills

    Quills Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Richardson
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Speaking of Saragosa, any news on his green card status, Buzz?

    If Mina doesn't get back in shape, he's obviously #1 to go. Otherwise, I'd send Ricardinho back to CAP and try to move Serioux or Richetti.

    With the new international rules, are you still allowed to trade for international spots?
     
  4. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    nothing beyond the theory he would have it for ths season. I'll ask.

    yes.
     
  5. jamezyjamez

    jamezyjamez Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    1. Saragosa
    2. Mina (unless healthy and less than a deuce/deuce-and-a-half)
    3. Richetti

    We have too many DM's and we need to get the young guys some PT. Between Serioux and Richetti, I have to choose Serioux at this point. And I don't want to unload any offense unless we have a PROVEN veteran brought in.
     
  6. SoftTackle

    SoftTackle Member

    Jan 16, 2004
    Missoula, MT
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
  7. SeventhRowScreamer

    Jan 26, 2007
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  8. ElSpruceMoose

    ElSpruceMoose Member

    Aug 27, 2005
    Fort Worth, TX
    1)Davino
    2)Toja
    3)Rocha

    ;)
     
  9. BVgolski07

    BVgolski07 Member

    Aug 8, 2007
    Milwaukee
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'd say most expendable would be serioux, he'd make an appealing trade to TFC. most of the other guys are still young and could improve.
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Get rid of all the non defensive mid internationals. That way we can bring in more and compose the whole team of D-mids.
     
  11. *Jade*

    *Jade* New Member

    Jan 7, 2008
    USA
     
  12. fennsk

    fennsk New Member

    Jan 30, 2007
    Pittsburgh, PA
    Just making it clear who the internationals are, and that FCD will have to get rid of people in order to add other internationals
     
  13. Toffee85

    Toffee85 New Member

    Dec 6, 2006
    Ding Ding Ding
     
  14. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Now that MoJo is no longer coach of TFC that could actually happen. It would make sense for both teams, although TFC has Edu and Robinson at d-mid and quite a few CBs already on its roster.
     
  15. UncleHulka

    UncleHulka Member

    Jan 14, 2005
    [Henny Youngman] Take my Saragosa... please. [/Henny Youngman]
     
  16. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We should not dump *Jade*'s furture boyfriend just yet.

    I am hesitant to make any moves with the offense right now, because there is so little of it. I start off by shopping Serioux. I say AS becasue I think he might like to go to TFC, and Richetti is better than him defensivly, and Sargosa is more creative. Also, Sargosa may get a green card, which is a bonus. I would take allocation money, and it will draw down the cap.

    After that, really, you must go to the front line. Mina has been an effective palyer in the past. If he comes in fit, practices hard, and works his way back into the team, I would have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Dom can create havoc with his speed alone, especailly if KCJ is matched with Abe, would be devastating off the bench. I like waht he brings to the table as a player, but there mingt not be room.

    Wahtever other decisions may be made, I would give Jamie Watson every chance to make this team. He wants to be in Dallas, and he is a domestic, low cost striker. Maybe he will develop into something special.

    Dead but dreaming,
    Scipio Diabolus,
    vox fatum.

    Contra.

    I could use a cookie.
     
  17. theodore

    theodore Member

    Nov 7, 2003
    What is the current limit, 9?
    1. Richetti
    2. Toja
    3. Serioux
    4. Davino
    5. Saragosa
    6. Oduro
    7. Ricardinho
    8. Mina
    9. Rocha
    10. Ali Mouchawhatevr...
    11. Cabrera
    12. ? Malcomb

    Obiously not all of these guys can possibly signed. And, Saragosa could get a green card, and we could trade for an additional International spot. But, a couple of things....

    I think we can now accept as fact that with the Mina resigning, we do not have a plan for an international Ruiz replacement despite what we were told. Some of you that gave me a load of cr@p about saying this, please be man enough to admit that I was dead on right.

    We are hamstrung w/ a ton of ok roster fillers in these valuable international slots. Why do we resign a guy who has not played soccer in what? 2 seasons? This makes no sense at all.

    Also, I think that the FO is fully prepared to have the current batch of players be THE TEAM. No central midfield creator, no replacement for Ruiz. It seems that we are signing internationals in positions that we could easily sign domestic players. And, we are not keeping the flexibility to add the top shelf type of players that we desperately need.

    I am happy to see Davino here. But, at an international slot and 400K for a 32 year old man? What was wrong w/ giving the previous guy 200K? If we are lucky, Davino will be as good. If not, we will have big issues.

    Is Yi that bad that we don't have a role for him? Ditto for Pitch? I thought they were at least decent MLS roster fillers with some upside.

    And, the whole murky picture emerging w/ the back line confuses me greatly. Is there another problem that has yet to be announced with the guys we THINK are going to be starting in the back next year?

    Left side back, left side flank player, center mid playmaker, proven international forward are the needs.

    Where are we going to get those guys? This year it was not via draft, not via trade for big players, and we are not going to have the roster flexibility to add internationals either. It just doesn't make sense.

    Can someone explain any of this?
     
  18. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    8.

    you were wrong then and are wrong now. Players can be cut and traded.

    it's called a non-guarantee contract.

    toja, mccarty, alvarez, and it looks like Rocha.

    yet.

    1. cause he wanted to go to Europe. 2. cause you don't pay American defenders who aren't established national teamers 200k in a cap tight league. 3. cause he's not worth $200k in MLS.

    no.
    no.
    they are, they are both still here.

    yes unless as you say Pitch, Daniels, or Yi steps up.
    No it's not.

    no it's not.

    yes, which is why Morrow is in negotiations to sign 2 forwards.

    yes it does. just cause you don't like it doesn't mean it doesn't make sense.
     
  19. Quills

    Quills Member

    Jun 22, 2007
    Richardson
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks, Buzz. I didn't feel in the mood to answer all questions.

    Players can be cut or traded (or sent back to their home club) if new, better players come along... yes, even international players. I don't know why you are still worked up, theodore. We have reports of players coming in from all over the world to train with FCD and we have a direct quote from Morrow saying they are in talks with two international forwards. I see no indications that the players that currently have contracts are guaranteed to be with the team on opening day.
     
  20. BearcatSA

    BearcatSA Member

    Jan 15, 2008
    Canada
    Mo Johnston had a chance for him on two different occasions when he ran NY/NJ and then last year with TFC. I don't think he rates Serioux very much.
     
  21. UncleHulka

    UncleHulka Member

    Jan 14, 2005
    This.

    Seems to me that d-mids are there for domestic talent. Shouldn't FCD be looking to acquire technically gifted players at attacking positions? I ain't giving up the ghost quite yet, but, where are the difference makers? DCU is certaintly moving in that direction.
     
  22. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good point, Bearcat. That does not mean that nobody else wants Serioux. If he is traded, it will mena cap releif and an internatioal spot. Hopefully, he is worth some allocation as well.

    In the initial list of nine, Serioux's trade would have made the team compliant, and Dom would be the next to go. Theo adds three players, but we can discount Ali. According to Buzz, Ricardinho looks good in practice. We will have to wait and see what the sheep shagging Hun looks like, as well as Cabrera, and if Morrow does indeed manage to bring in two strikers. It does seem difficult for a new player to replace a proven commodity, with only practice and a couple of games for Morrow to choose.

    Dead but dreaming,
    Scipio Diabolus,
    vox fatum.

    Contra.

    I could use a cookie.
     
  23. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    But MoJo is gone now (well, at least as far as coaching goes). I could see the new guy wanting him on the roster, especially since he likely saw him play in England.
     
  24. jason1551

    jason1551 Member+

    Apr 9, 2003
    Columbus, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    I would take him on DC in a heartbeat, but I think we're done with acquisitions (for now). He's talented enough that a few teams might be interested in him at the right price. The real question would be how his knee holds up this year. NY could certainly use him, as could LA and KC.
     
  25. UncleHulka

    UncleHulka Member

    Jan 14, 2005
    Many would argue that MOJO now has MORE influence on roster additions. And if he doesn't covet Serioux than he's alot more dense than I ever thought. Serioux would be perfect for them, especially considering Edu's Nat absences to come.

    That said, I really like what Serioux brought to the team last year after moving to his natural position at d-mid. He was a force. I maintain that Saragosa should be the first man out.
     

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