Which country currently has the best goalkeeping pair?

England doesnt belong on this list

 

Yeah - but the USA does, right?
Give us a break. Seaman has achieved far more than either Friedel or Keller will ever do, a couple of recent errors notwithstanding. And James/Robinson/Martyn are easily the equal (if not superior) of Keller.

 

Friedel was better than Seaman in the last world cup.

And I have never seen a better goalkeeping display in my life than Keller's shut out of Brazil

 

Yes, Friedel had a better WC than Seaman but that doesn't make him a better keeper. Although the question is which team currently has the best GK pair, so I guess US might be ahead of England on the strength of Friedel's recent performances. However saying we don't deserve to be on the list shows a pretty ignorant and short-term knowledge of the world game, IMO.

 

If it's based on current form you can't compare Seaman to either Friedel or Keller. In fact, he'd be lucky to compare to some of our better MLS keepers, such as Joe Cannon, Tim Howard, Adin Brown, and Tony Meola.


Alex

 

Yeah, actually. It deserves to be in the top two or three in the world. England does not. Deal with it.

Of course, no reasoning with ppl like you from the UK...they weren't born in the UK, but in America, so obviously just token credit for "them damn Yanks"

 

Not to be pedantic but Seaman conceeded 3 goals in the World cup while Friedel conceeded 7.

Seaman's team won 2, drew 2 and lost 1

Friedels team won 2, drew 1 and lost 2

Both teams got to the quarter finals.

So please remind me which keeper had the better WC?....

 

You seem to have the typical "He's English so he's crap" attitude.

 

Douglas - Sullivan

 

Ricardo is nowhere near being the NT. Especially now that he is a benchwarmer. Right now the backup to Casillas is Contreras even though there are better goalkeepers in Spain than either one.

 

Friedel. Let's break down the goals he allowed:

PORTUGAL-Both goals allowed due to defensive breakdown

KOREA-goal allowed to due defensive breakdown, Friedel stops penalty

POLAND-1 goal allowed due to defensive breakdown, 1 that Friedel maybe should have stopped, 1 that never should have been allowed at all (scored almost directly off free kick from non-existent Landon Donovan foul, which also called back a perfectly good US goal), Friedel stops penalty

MEXICO-clean sheet

GERMANY-amazing shot by Ballack, no keeper could have stopped it

Now the World Cup was awhile ago and I don't remember every goal that was scored picture-perfect (not our opponents' goals anyway), but that's as best as I remember it. Thing is, Friedel may have let in more goals but only MAYBE one was his fault. All 3 of the goals Seaman let in, as I remember, were his fault, especially Ronaldinho's free-kick.

Better way to put it: if the US and England switched keepers, the US would have been lucky to get out of the first round, while England probably would have won the Cup.


Alex

 

I beg to differ. Those stats don't tell the whole story.

Friedel made more saves than Seaman.

Friedel stopped two penalties.

One can definitely argue that if it wasn't for Friedel, the US wouldn't have even made it out of the first round. Or if they had, they wouldn't have made it out of the second round. One can probably argue that if it wasn't for Seaman, England would have been playing in the semifinals.

Seaman had a top-class defensive unit in front of him. In Rio Ferdinand, England probably had the best central defender in the entire tournament. Brad Friedel had Jeff Agoos blasting volleys into his own goal and running around marking nobody in particular.

 

No, if you bother to read the posts then you'll see that I admit Friedel is playing very well at the moment and probably played better than Seaman in the WC (although as Prenn points out the stats do not back this up - but Friedel didn't have as solid a defence in front of him) - but to dismiss England's goalkeepers out of hand is pretty bovine and ignorant. Seaman has made a couple of high-profile mistakes in recent games and suddenly he's crap, right? Either you have something against England or you just haven't been watching football very long.

 

Seaman was having a superb World cup right up until the second half against Brazil. He single handidly restircted Sweden to one goal in the first game. He also had a blinder against argentina.

You lot are know-nothings. The stats show you're wrong and it's as simple as that

Seaman conceeds 3, Friedel conceeds 7.

 

roll whatever pleases you "mate"

we arent comparing Midfield, defense or forwars, which are all obviously Advantage: England. My respect for your squad and players is very high. When it comes to keepers..Advantage: Yanks. aside from our EPL Pair, we've got an excellent crop of youngsters in MLS that can easily rival Friedel and Keller within a few Years...Adin and Tim among the best of the two...

My problem is that many of you just refuse to credit any of our players. There is another recent thread here in one of the forums where the topic was similar to this, but instead it was "name the top 5" keepers...

Almost every one of you omitted both Friedel and Keller. Put a gun to Wenger's head, and ask him to choose between Keller, Friedel and Seaman...you really think he chooses Seaman? If you answers yes, maybe you should follow cricket

 

Just for reference, Jens Lehmann is generally considered the next best German keeper after Kahn.

O and I think that Keller/Friedel really are the best pair.

 

We can't win mate, they've got the same problem that all the other sheep here do: ignorance. They take second hand opinions of something they know nothing about and try to use it to make themselves look good. They'll try to rationalise every single one of the 7 goals Friedel conceeded and say it wasn't his fault but they take the one freak goal against Seaman and well, you know the rest.

The only reason they do this is because he's English and they so desperately want to be better than England.

 

For Holland, although I haven't seen him recently, I'd put Waterreus ahead of De Goey.

And what about Canizares for Spain?

 

dear prenn.

stats dont tell the whole story...

talk to the media at the world cup and you tell me who they would have rather had in goal...seaman or friedel? 90% would have taken friedel; he would have been the third team keeper in the tourney right behind kahn and rustu.

and in the epl...

i think wenger would love to have keller or friedel right now ahead of seaman...if he had to pick from those three i would bet a large sum of money that seaman would be sitting that ponytail on the bench for the rest of the year...

 

Rubbish, Friedel comes in for a lot of praise, a hell of a lot. I'd have him in my team over anyone else in the Premiership any day of the week. Keller gets ignored because he plays for Spurs.

This does not mean however that Seaman is crap, all you're doing is spewing forth prejudiced opinions.

Tell me this, if Seaman is so bad why is it that Sven Goran Eriksson and Arsene Wenger see nothing wrong with making him their first choice keepers?

 

That's not the point though.

Is Seaman an awful goalkeeper?

 

Re: Re: Which country currently has the best goalkeeping pair?

As long as Iñaki Saez is coach of Spain, Cañizares will never be on the NT again. But he is better than Ricardo or Contreras. Also Toni Prats and Notario are better than both as well.

Out of the list mentioned I'd have to say that Italy has the best goalkeeping pair.

 

oh damn, i forgot those brits on an island are the only ones that know anything about football my bad, we people from the states know nothing...thanks for enlightening us prenn.

better? we are...good lord, seaman is NOT good. was he? hell yea, one of the best ever for england and probably in the world...but not anymore, he is slowly drifting past his prime. i wonder why sven still keeps him on the squad, familiarity i guess...

 

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I'd agree with this as well. So the USA vs England debate is essentially moot.

It's hard to argue with either Buffon or Toldo's track record, be it international or Serie A.