Where in the World? Lost, Season 3, Part 3 [R]

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  1. Ringo

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    i think locke lives. they've been making such a big deal of how he's special and how the island does things to him that it doesn't do to others.
    was ben trying to kill locke or more just see how powerful he is in connection with the island? if locke dies, ben knows he wan't the one. if he lives, well he gets his answers there too.
     
  2. Dr.Phil

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    I doubt Locke dies he has been a major part of the show so maybe Jacob helps him
    And then he will have to help Jacob


    Really interested how the camp handle Jack
     
  3. Th4119

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    Except for the fact that the actor who played Eko wanted to only be on the show for a short amount of time.
     
  4. That Phat Hat

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    Didn't help that he got arrested either, no?

    I liked Eko, but I think he was in the show to be Anna Lucia's muscle and to enable the "Man of Faith, Man of Science" episode.
     
  5. Ringo

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    it was determined before that mishap. I don't think his legal snafu was anything big, either.
     
  6. Leto

    Leto New Member

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    If Locke was going to die Ben would have explicitly killed him. He's fine. He's already hunting polar bears while he finds his way back to camp.

    What struck me from that episode was the ghostly sighting of Ben's mother and Young Richard's reaction to Ben telling him about the sighting. I'm thinking that the (new) original inhabitants, the ones who exterminated the Dharma workers, were aware of a presence on the island - the smoke monster, the island's properties, maybe Jacob is a manifestation. However, none of them can interact or communicate with it, so when Young Richard finds that Young Ben saw a ghost outside the fence, he realises that he is The One (or at least someone very special). That explains how Ben rises to become their leader despite not being one of them originally. It also explains why they all regard Locke as special, since he seems to be able to interact with it as well - and why Ben shot him when he proved that he could in fact see/hear Jacob. Alpha Male competition, and so on - remember that none of the rest of the Others can see Jacob.

    I think it all fits quite well. I still need to find a satisfactory slot for Jacob - right now I'm thinking that he was the original leader of Young Richard's group, making Young Ben another 'communicator', and for whatever reason he was deposed. Ben still has power over him through whatever means he overpowered him by in the first place (and the sand circle), but a very tenuous power. And Jacob clearly doesn't like Ben.

    On another note, it does piss me off that they've created a new bunch of 'natives' whose presence needs to be explained all over again. That's right back to season one.
     
  7. Alberto

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    I have a theory, Ben is responsible for the women not being able to carry pregancies beyond seven months. Ben is able to manifest and create things out of thin air. Remember how Ben's mom died in labor in the seventh month. Strange coincidence or Ben's overt or subconscious wish manifest in the physical form to punish anyone that would be envious of.
     
  8. Eric B

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    Survivors of the Black Rock, perhaps?
     
  9. Alberto

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    Certainly appears that way to me. Perhaps the island is able to prolong life similar to Shangri La.
     
  10. Samarkand

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    May 28, 2001
    But it needs an influx of newbies from time to time because of the prenancy thing.
     
  11. Alberto

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    As I noted in an earlier post above, I think that Ben might be responsible for it.
     
  12. obie

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    If Locke's healing powers on the island can overcome irreversible paralysis due to a fall from a 10+ story window, he's not going to be fallen by something as trivial as a single bullet wound to the abdomen. And Ben knows this. If Ben wanted him dead he'd have put a 2nd bullet in Locke's brain.
     
  13. Samarkand

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    True. It's probably a win-win for Ben. If Locke is one of the elect then he'll recover, but Ben has shown he won't be screwed with. And if Locke is not one of the chosen, then he'll die and no loss.

    Yep, that's very possible but regardless where the 'newbies' come from, newbies must replenish the stock every so often.
     
  14. soccernutter

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    This means the Russo is one of the "Hostiles." I'm going to be interested in that relationship.

    Okay, so how did the other hatches get built - and when?
     
  15. Ringo

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    a good theory but where do Hurley, Jack, Kate, Eko and all the others who saw stuff on the island fit in? hurley saw his imaginary buddy and that could be his mental illness again but he seems like he's overcome that. Jack did interact with this father, Kate saw the horse, Eko saw his brother (smokey, we guess) ... but a lot of people have seen things.
     
  16. Ringo

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    interesting, but that would make them over 100 years old (didn't they say the dynamite was that old or something). and if all the dharma people were killed but ben ... then who drove the submarine and ran all the communication equipment? turn of the century castaways wouldn't know what to do with that and yes, maybe Ben knew how to run a submarine and communication equipment/sattelites ... but we WAS just a janitor. plus when that guy was there recruiting Juliette in portland he seemed pretty smooth so he must have got acclimated to the 21st century in a hurry. was ethan among the hostiles? because he seemed up to date on modern medicine (at least in the flashbacks ... IIRC and I probably don't).

    you know it could be right but as with everything with Lost there's so many questions that it's impossible to know if up is up or up is actually down.

    but I like the theory.
     
  17. Leto

    Leto New Member

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    I'd forgotten about that, thanks. Refresh my memory - it was a 17th/18th century trading ship, oui?
     
  18. dfb547490

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    It's a late 19th century (post-Civil War) slave ship.
     
  19. Leto

    Leto New Member

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    Dammit, Ringo, let me have my moment!

    That is a problem with the theory alright. Eko I would have put down as another potential 'communicator', but I can't account for the rest of them.

    I have a feeling the killing-father-figures motif might come to a head soon - Ben (father), Kate (stepfather), Locke (father, via Sawyer), Sawyer (the man he based his adult life on), Jack (indirectly drove his father to an alcoholic death & feels responsible), Eko (his brother & moral compass, indirectly) have all had their flashbacks along that theme. We know Hurley has no respect for his father - perhaps a later flashback will show him being in some way responsible for his death. It's just gotten very very obvious over the past few episodes, like they're building up to something.
     
  20. Ringo

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    I think it's a very good theory. I'm just wondering how all the pieces fit together.
    :)
     
  21. blkbrnrvr

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    we'll find out in three years....maybe.
     
  22. Stogey23

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    Definitely a chance of that. It seems too much of a coincidence that Ben's mom died during childbirth doesn't it?
     
  23. Iceblink

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    Hmm.... lots of just plain ol' issues with fathers too. Jin, embarrassed of his father.... Claire, same father as Jack... Sun, tough mafia father... Desmond - made to feel like crap by Penelope's father... and a monk brother who could have been called father.
     
  24. Barbara

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    It's almost as if John Irving is on the writing staff of this show.
     
  25. soccernutter

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