Where else but Holland?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Blitzz Boy, Nov 2, 2004.

  1. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
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    Quit smoking man. It kills.

    Maybe they should get some new Dutch journalists as they seem to

    a) get some demographical facts wrong
    b) forget to provide some of their facts with relevant side notes
    c) make some very bold assumptions which aren't true
     
  2. VFish

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    Jan 7, 2001
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    Again... you complaints should be directed at the Times, not the Post. Even a yodeling pygmee <sic> would know the difference. :p
     
  3. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Still Ben. Everything I read about Holland, even in the most serious American newspapers, comes down to: they used to be a bunch of liberal hash smokers and now muslim extremism has hit them and they don't know what to do. Apart from generalising to the extreme and being full of prejudice, American reporters don't seem to know what they're talking about, and, what's worse, don't seem to want to get to the bottom of things. Proof is that De Telegraaf is described as a liberal newspaper - no-one with the smallest understanding of Dutch society would ever describe that paper as liberal. The only media that have reported on events with some accuracy and understanding have been the Belgians, the Germans, and the Spanish.
     
  4. Caesar

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    Mar 3, 2004
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    From someone complaining of generalisation, that's an awful lot of generalising.
     
  5. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    Well point me to one American newspaper with a well-informed view on Dutch affairs and I'll stop.
     
  6. Caesar

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    Mar 3, 2004
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    What counts as 'well-informed'? If a newspaper like the WP has numerous resident correspondents in a country, I'd say it's probably pretty well-informed about what goes on there. Whether or not it deems it newsworthy enough to print is another matter.

    Of course, if you're talking about commentary/opinion pieces like the one that started this thread (as opposed to hard news)... well, oversimplification, bias and misleading use of statistics is nothing unique for any newspaper, regardless of nationality.
     
  7. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002

    No, this is proof that you and AFCA keep thinking that Scotland is part of the United States even though I've explained this several times.

    http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=1286272004
     
  8. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
    It's not so much a lack of sources, it's how those sources are used it seems to me. Foreign commentators and newspapers are eager to uphold a certain image of the Netherlands (just like Dutch newspapers are eager to uphold a certain image of the US), and again I have yet to find an objective view on matters in the foreign media. I'm not saying this is specifically American, what I am saying is that it is important to point out to people on this MB that most of what's written on this specific subject is rubbish and that they should question everything they read.
     
  9. johan neeskens

    Jan 14, 2004
  10. AFCA

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    Nope, it isn't. But it does mean that InTheNet (why I even bother I dunno) should stop being a wise ass.

    I'd have to ask my yodeling pygmee about that. But times or post... not relevant.
     

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