Where do I stand?

Discussion in 'College & Amateur Soccer' started by Portero11, Feb 8, 2008.

  1. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Hi some of you may/ not remember me. I posted some stuff about what I should do recruiting wise.

    To give everyone an update...I played for a pretty strong u-18 club in the fall and participated in a pretty good tourney. I then practiced and was offered a position on a premier club but my other club would not release me.

    anyhow: I have a big question: Here as it stands, only 2 schools are actively recruiting me and they are NAIA schools--I will not mention them. While I have gotten offers to participate in tryouts for other schools, I could not make them. What should I do?? I am a goalkeeper by the way.

    Should I just give up or are schools still recruiting?? I am really not even looking for a scholarship-the money issue is not a problem-I guess someone may call it a walk-on invitation or something.

    I am not necessarily only looking at D-1...I love soccer and where ever I go I want to be playing for sure--for that college and not some intramural type stuff. I would play D-1,2,3 or even NAIA...but I also want to compete year to year.

    Please someone/ anyone help, advise me on my options, what I can do as of right now, and any other advice would be kindly accepted.
     
  2. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no recollection of your other post. Bu it's unlikely to matter.

    I get the impression that you anticipated playing for your club in a few tournaments and then sitting back and waiting for the offers to flood in.

    And except for a dozen or so kids every year, that ain't how it works.

    But the biggest question is this: what do you want to do with your life? What college or university appeals to you? What kind of degree do you want? What are you looking for out of the college education which you seem willing and able to invest upwards of $100,000 in?

    (If the answer to that last question is: "Prolong my soccer playing life" then it's the worst use of $100,000 I can think of. Buy T Bills instead.)

    The real issue, indeed the ONLY issue, is: where do you want to go to school?

    Figure this out, then get ahold of the coach and have a chat. They're remarkably freindly guys, particularly with kids who are interested in their program.

    Yes, virtually every program in the land is still open to some more freshmen players. The ship has not sailed. In fact, in most places it's barely cleared the dock.

    But YOU have to decide what YOU want. Nobody is going to come drag you off your couch.
     
  3. fishon

    fishon Member

    Apr 27, 2007

    This kids situation is no different than 99% of other 17-19 years. They DO NOT KNOW WHAT they WANT. With the exception of about a dozen kids most of them will attend a school that shows them interest in their sport.
     
  4. Proud Mama

    Proud Mama New Member

    May 9, 2006
    OC

    Some of the guys in our area are doing the following that are young seniors (not 18 yet). They have decided to go to community college and take the minimum classes to still make them eligible to be re-recruited per NCAA rules for the following season and continue to play club at a U19 one more season. This way they can get re-recruited all over again, and would more than likely stand-out on their club teams. Nothing wrong with taking one or two core courses at a community college, play club, maybe work a part-time job, and then see what offers you get. Also contact, write, email, call, call, call the schools you are really interested in. If you're good, the schools will take notice and see you are really serious about going to their school. And keep your grades up!
     
  5. esther15

    esther15 New Member

    Jan 25, 2006
    I hope by now you have your applied to different universites, since many application deadlines have passed. I would call as many coaches you can at the schools you would love to attend with or without soccer and ask if there is a roster spot for you as a preferred walk on.or a tryout opportunity once you get there You have to market yourself it is competitve out there and as a goalie you have to be realistically be willing to sit for a year or two.
    It is so important to go to aschool that you would attend regardless of soccer. DIII schools are not yet done recruiting.
     
  6. keem-o-sabi

    keem-o-sabi Member

    Sep 7, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    this is the #1 important question to ask yourself. If you break your leg and can not play soccer anymore, do you still want to go to school there?

    It sounds like you visited the NAIA schools, but don't like them, if you haven't then you are waisting your time by waiting.

    Being a fellow GK I can advise you now that I'm old and wise. The odds of a first year keeper coming in and starting a very slim. You have to sit and wait your turn usually and train your butt off and prove yourself. You'll be competing, but hopefully learning too.

    I did not have that situation in college and it sucked as we were both freshman (the senior didn't come back that year) and we were both like oh no, it was great to get in, but being 18 and starting is very difficult at the college level, especially when you were used to playing at the club level where you only play your own age (luckily I had played in some men's leagues since I was 16, but still it's a lot faster then the pub league).

    You have to start deciding soon, it's already mid-feb. Where are you anyway? I know a couple schools that do need Gk's.
     
  7. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Bill Archer: Thanks for the advice, you say that the ship hasnt even left the docks. So youre saying that I still have time to get at least a guarantee of being a preferred walk-on or something.

    Esther 15: Yes I have applied to about 10 colleges already just for academics. I have emailed these coaches but haven't called them yet. I only got accepted to 2 of these schools so far.

    Keem-o-Sabi: I will take my visits to NAIA schools next week. I live in California but would be willing to go just about anywhere to play soccer.

    My main question is: Is there still time for me to email coaches, continue sending them my resume and video, calling them...can/ will they still offer me maybe a full/ partial scholarship, make me a preferred walk-on or something more than just taking my chances and trying out for the team??

    Thanks for all of your replies and I hope that more people can help me out.
     
  8. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    What Bill said in his entire post. As to the portion above, I walked on at a college where I was clearly not going to be able to make a real contribution (except by getting better so I was a stronger player in scrimmages and thus gave the good players a better workout). The coach took me on a tour of the facilities, introduced me to a few players we bumped into on campus, and gave me the team's proscribed summer workouts that we were to do in addition to playing for our club teams. I mostly sat on the bench for two seasons until the program moved from D-II to D-I, at which time I took up rugby.

    When I went to a match 12 years after I graduated, 14 years after I'd last played, the coach recognized me and chatted for a few minutes during warm-up and after the match.

    Most college coaches are like that. And if you come across one who isn't, that just makes your decision that much easier.
     
  9. esther15

    esther15 New Member

    Jan 25, 2006
    You are best to call coaches or go and visit the school. Coaches get 100's of emails a day. Good luck!! Pick a school you love with or without soccer!
     
  10. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Update:

    Hey guys I got some really bad news. I didn't tell you that this season I have dislocated my shoulder 3 times. Im having surgery this Friday.

    What should I do now?? I can come back and play in 6 months but I have already gotten 4 responses with schools that want me to come visit and train with the team in 2 months.

    What should I tell them?? and do you think they would still want me to play??

    BTW: thanx for all your advice, over this weekend, the replies have been rolling in.
     
  11. Futbol0020

    Futbol0020 New Member

    Sep 6, 2006
    Chicago
    If I were you, I would stop wasting time on this website.

    CALL COACHES.

    Do you know how many emails coaches receive? Probably 500 a week.

    Do you know how many phone calls coaches receive each week? Probably 50.

    Call a coach from a school you got into, ask them if they are still recruiting. Ask them if they are still looking for a goalkeeper. If they are, ask them what is the best way to get a tryout and do what they say.

    If they say they are done recruiting, then ask their advice on your situation. College coaches have a much better idea of the recruiting landscape than anyone else. If they know of any local schools that you would fit into, they will point you in the right direction.

    Emails are impersonal and so frequent, that a lot of coaches scan them for 5 seconds and delete them, or if your lucky pass them onto an assistant coach to look at.

    CALL COACHES. And when you call coaches, take a look at the team's website. If they 3 returning keepers and already signed a freshman, you probably shouldnt bother.
     
  12. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Update: I just took a visit to one of the NAIA schools today. The school is pretty small and Im a little iffy on that. However the facilities were great! The field impressed me the most.

    Big Problem or Question: The coach spent about 2 hours with me even buying me lunch however there was never any talk of a scholarship or anything.
    That really made me sad but I never asked him or anything like that, so I guess it runs both ways. However, he did say that I would be an asset to his team and he would love having me next year on the team.

    What does this mean??--I know I can make that team, thats not the problem, but the big issue is the scholarship? Why didn't he offer me one? And another thing, if he wants me why didnt he ask me to sign one of the national letters of intent???

    Im just really confused, maybe I imagined everything turning out differently.
     
  13. keem-o-sabi

    keem-o-sabi Member

    Sep 7, 2005
    Toronto
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To be honest, the odds of getting a scholarship in mid-to late february is close to nil. Especially for a freshman goalkeeper. No offense, but like I had mentioned before, I had gone through the same thing. Your best bet is to find somewhere you can get financial awards to and hope that you can convince the coach to give you money after a year of being in the program.

    Most GK's that have received scholarship monies probably have received that in November/December. It's really late in the game to be choosy on schools based on scholarships.
     
  14. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Keem: It really wasnt that money thing, it was more of the fact that this guy just said that I would be a great asset to the team. I came out of the meet asking myself: Will I have a spot on this team for sure or not??

    But ya, I shouldn't be too choosy.
     
  15. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    You can always ask the coach. Do I have a spot ? What is the potential for athletic scholarship either this year or in my career ?
     
  16. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    collegesoccer: Ya I probably should have asked on my visit.

    On another note, what makes more sense, should I tell the coaches up front about my surgery and how long I will be out? Or should I keep it to myself?--many of my friends have told me to keep it to myself, stating that the coaches will probably withdraw all interest in me if they find out.
     
  17. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Hi all: Im really messed now...just had surgery friday. but i got a cool and interesting update. A D3 school from illinois has contacted me w/o me filling out a questionaire, email, or phone call!!!

    im pretty excited cause i never thought a school would contact me 1st.
     
  18. Dfense

    Dfense New Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    That's a great bit of advice. I think, though, that people are hesitant about calling a coach because they fear that the coach is a very busy person and may be irritated with phone calls. Is it too early to call if you are a sophomore? For those of you who have called coaches, what do you start the conversation with?
     
  19. Dfense

    Dfense New Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    When you say call coaches, do the kids have to call, or can parents call on their behalf? Kids are so busy these days and with school, club teams/tournaments, I don't know when they'd have time to make phone callls.
     
  20. esther15

    esther15 New Member

    Jan 25, 2006
    Coaches DO NOT want to talk to parents, they are not recruiting the parent! The only time a parent needs to get invovled in when you are discussing finances! Kids need to make the phone call, if they want it bad enough they find the time! Kids can rehearse with the parent what they are going to say prior to call. I know if is difficult for for some, but they really need to be the one making the calls
     
  21. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    Interpertation "I am a helicopter parent and I want to be the one who makes the calls".

    Let your son make the calls. As mentioned, having him rehearse his calls with the parents is a great idea.
     
  22. Dfense

    Dfense New Member

    Feb 24, 2008
    Point taken. When's the best time for players to reach a coach? I would guess sophomores have to be pretty strategic since coaches can't call them back. Is summer the best time for them to make these calls?
     
  23. collegesoccer

    collegesoccer Member+

    Apr 11, 2005
    The coach can't return calls to anyone but seniors or rising seniors once July
    1st happens. Call anytime, use email and set up a brief meeting.
     
  24. Portero11

    Portero11 New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Dfense: The way that I start conversations as of right now is pretty simple. Of all the colleges I was interested in I filled out a recruit questionaire. That was a year ago. After July, I sent them an email with my resume and soccer experience plus intro.

    The phone call: I say hi who i am, what position i play, where i live, and ask if they first got my latest email and ever recieved my questionaire.

    We then have a 15-45 minute talk about the program, the roster, my status, the school, etc. etc.
     
  25. Dfense

    Dfense New Member

    Feb 24, 2008

    Thanks. That's really helpful information. I know my son gets psyched out by the idea of making calls to people he really looks up to. I suppose it gets easier the more you do it. Knowing how other people handle it gives him more confidence.
     

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