When will Twellman be MLS Career Goal Leader?

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  1. MouseyTongue

    MouseyTongue New Member

    Feb 16, 2001
    a box in the Chairma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With Moreno breaking Kreis' all-time record, it seemed time to look at Twellman's shot at this record. It seems inevitable that the record will be his if he is still scoring goals in MLS in three more years. The only active players ahead of him are Moreno, Razov and Cunningham. How many of them are even going to be back next year?

    I was also interested in goals during the run of play (i.e. removing the penalty kicks) since Twellman rarely takes them. The only record I could find of career PKs was on the MLS site listing the all-time leaders. So all I know about Twellman (and Lassiter) is that he has fewer than 10.

    So the MLS career leaders in goals from the run of play are:

    Kreis 98
    Razov 92
    (Lassiter 88?)
    (Twellman 86?)
    Cunningham 82
    Moreno 76

    If anyone has PK stats for Lassiter and Twellman, please fix the list.

    This is a record that Twellman could own sometime next season. Perhaps with his 100th MLS goal.
    http://web.mlsnet.com/mls/history/alltime_leaders.jsp
     
  2. ngower

    ngower foolish grin

    May 24, 2006
    Nashua, NH
    He could easily have 90 before the end of the season, possibly more. If he has a strong finish to this year and an excellent season next year, he could break it. Realistically, I see the early stages of the 2009 season when he breaks it.
     
  3. KATref

    KATref Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Stow, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think any of Twellman's goals are from PK's but I can't remember where I read that at. Something about missing one early in his career and they didn't let him take them any more.
     
  4. revsrock

    revsrock Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    Boston Ma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twellman is 3/5 in PK's
     
  5. MouseyTongue

    MouseyTongue New Member

    Feb 16, 2001
    a box in the Chairma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here is an updated list:

    98 Kreis
    92 *Razov
    84 Lassiter
    83 *Twellman
    82 *Cunningham
    76 *Moreno
    69 Diaz Arce
    62 *Ruiz
    56 Preki
    (*active)

    Twellman could be the first MLS player to score 100 goals from the run of play. He needs 17 more. Unless Razov sticks around for 8 more. Has he announced his plans?
     
  6. revs

    revs Member

    Apr 22, 2003
    MA
    Since Moreno has 109 goals, lets do the math here.

    Moreno:
    109 goals - 76 non-pk goals = 33 pk goals

    including pk's: 109 goals/ 11.5 years = 9.48 g/y
    109 goals/ 263 games played = .41 goals per game
    109 goals/ 21,368 min. = 196.4 minutes per goal


    From run of play: 76 goals/11.5 years = 6.61 g/y
    76 goals/ 263 games played = .29 goals per game
    76 goals/ 21,368 min. = 281.16 minutes per goal

    Twellman:

    86 goals - 3 pk goals = 83 legit goals

    From run of play: 83 goals/ 5.5 years = 15.09 g/y
    83 goals/ 150 games = .55 goals/game
    83 goals/ 13,187 minutes = 158.88 minutes per goal

    Those stats are undeniable, Twellman has a much more proficient strike rate. The only thing that holds me back from saying Taylor is superior is their assists...although the secondary assist # is not known so these stats *could* be glorified for both players.

    Moreno: 87 assists/ 21,368 min = 245.61 min per assist
    Twellman: 26 assists/ 13,187 min = 507.19 min per assist


    I.e. Clint Dempsey circa 2004 :rolleyes:
     
  7. MouseyTongue

    MouseyTongue New Member

    Feb 16, 2001
    a box in the Chairma
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the math revs. The relative quickness of Twellman reaching this amount was part of my thinking in relation to asking about the other active players' retirement plans. Along with Ruiz, Twellman has been quicker to rise to the top of the all-time scoring leaders than anyone else. And Ruiz not only has fewer goals overall, but also has 13 more PKs than Twellman.
     

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