Back in 93 when Lavolpe won his league title, I wasnt able to watch as many soccer games as I do now. I was in high school and playing 3 leagues (baseball). I use to catch up on this stuff when i would go to Mexico (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Summer, Memorial, Labor, etc). So I did see some of the games from Atlante (GOD how I hated Herrera's mullet back then) So, what rubbed m the wrong way about him was how they painted him out to be this mastermind when that was his only win up to date. Years pass, and I did not agree when he signed with America in 96. Just all his stupid press conferences and what not. He then loses 5-0 to Chivas and resigns. Weeks later he says it isnt his fualt and that he wasnt given what he wanted to put a competitive side. I hated him from that moment on because I found out he also blamed past employers for his shortcomings. Then all the altercations he would get into with America (with Lara and Blanco). You guys know that I hate Toluca (and not because I see them as a threat, I just hate their owners)and going to Toluca, just gave me more reason to hate him more. HE did it in Atlas, he did it in Toluca.... if he wasnt given what he wanted... he would publicly say that he would leave (like he has never done that on the national team either huh) but... for someone that gets what he wants....he doesnt have alot of titles to show for.... 1 title.... I have always asked myself... when will Mexican owners realize that this guy is just a talker. HE has talked himself into getting into Mexico's most important clubs (America, Atlante, Atlas, Toluca, Chivas) without having the credentials. HE is an indiot, we are world class idiots for giving this guy a job
Admittedly, I'm nowhere as near as knowledgeable as you or our other friends here because I for several years I stopped following the Mexican league before getting back into it last year (which is one of the reasons that this is my favorite BS forum, so I can learn more)... But like I said in another thread you started: "Charisma",smoke, mirrors and an "exotic" accent can take you very, very far. I wouldn't use the word "idiots" unless you are specifally talking about some of those at the Mexican federation. Their coaching selections have been a bit suspect lately. Lavolpe charmed the "right" people to get the job...
He doesnt have charisma. He has a chip on his shoulder. He came to Mexico with a "I am your teacher, you are my student" mentality. I fvcking hate foreigners that go to Mexico with that type of mentality. You see it mostly with Spaniards and Argentines that go to Mexico. They go there flat broke and think we owe them. That is one of the reasons I HATE Toluca because of the Spanish influence in that club But just look at Lavolpe. 1st season = 15th place 2nd season = 13th place 3rd season = 19th place 4th season = 2nd place (coaching duo with Rafa Puentes) 5th season = Fired after 14th week 6th season = 18th place 7th season = 1st place (loses in quarters) 8th season = 10th place (CHAMPION) 9th season = 7th place (loses in quarters) 10th season = Fired after 23rd week I dont know any coach in Mexico that can have 1 decent season in 10 years of coaching and still coach in Mexico's 1st division. Mexican coaches dont have that luxury. We have Leonardo Cuellar, Cristobal Ortega, Manuel Negrete, Jose Antonio Luna, etc that have waited YEARS to get a shot in Mexico's 1st division. Mexican coaches and Mexican assistant coaches dont get those opportunities. I read once that foreign assistant coaches that are brought make more money to young Mexican coaches. Some have even publicly stated that foreign physical trainers make more than Mexican physical trainers. We have had coaches like Alfredo Tena, Miguel Vucetich, Fernando Quirarte, Manuel Lapuente, etc be unemployed for a while in Mexico and all more with 1 title to show for. We (the FMF) did now want to give Hugo Sanchez his coaching certificate after he retired, but yet we allow Antonio Mohamed to coach in the 1st division without a coaching certificate. How is that for fvcking over your own kind?
Im a neub, so I would say last year, when he was crying/resigning then renegging after Brazil copa america spanking, and just before when he promised a "surprise". thn i hear him get pwnt by Hugo, then Cuauh and hearing his overall retardedness. I guess I think that if you hire a foreigner, who is considered to have a school of lavolpismo and nublets underneath him like CA DT and miguelito, then youd think you could lead your team to beat the likes of panama, SAfrica, weakened Colombia. You would think chiquis and other incompetents would not be on the team.
LMvCP: Thanks a lot for the CV on Lavolpe. I printed it out and will study it. Looks like we pretty much agree. That's why I used quotes around the word "charisma" and mentioned the accent. Not to be xenophobic, just trying to point out that sometimes we have the best candidates for a job in our own backyard, but people get enamored with thinking that someone can come from somwhere else to "save" them. I really like Leonardo Cuellar. I think that he has done a great job with the Mexican women's national team over the years, practically building it singlehandledly. I liked him back when he was coaching in college (San Diego St?) He has always struck me as an incredible gentleman and he loves coaching. It is a shame that he hasn't received an opportunity to coach in the First division or somewhere else. Speaking only as an outsider, it seems like Mexican coaches and technical staff don't get a fair opportunity to perform or even receive the same consideration. That responsibility falls at the feet of those witht the cash and the power to make hiring and compensation decisions. Because those are the people that have more control over breaking the mentality of "I'm doing you a favor by coming here to work for you". It really seems like a shame that there appears to be that sort of mentality. Hopefully it will change but it will probably only change if people make a point to continually raise the issue and communicate how unjust it is.
dont waste your time studying mediocrity some folks around here think I am xenophobic. Not the case. I have never been against the foreign player or coach. NEVER. I just have been against those who come here with a chip on thier shoulder. People rag on Hugo Sanchez because they say he contradicts himself. They say things like "If Hugo is so pro-Mexican, why does he have foreigners on his team?" "If Hugo is so pro-Mexican, why is is assistant coach from Argentina?" First off, they dont even take the time to realize that he has already provided the national team good players that have promising careers (Kikin, Galindo, Castro, Lozano, etc). THey also dont see who his trainer is and what his credentials are. His trainer has worked with Real Madrid before. HE has worked with the best. I would be a fool not to take a guy that has worked with perhaps the best club in the world. It nots like I am getting Wilson Graneolatti as my assistant coach. We talked about this a while back on here when Mohamed was able to coach in the 1st division without a certificate. I bothered me that Cuellar never was given a chance and that he had to go to the US and coach at a university out in California. He is in his mid 50s now, is it too late for him??? I dont know Ruben Omar Romano, The Graneolatti brothers, Eduardo Acevedo, Lavolpe, Tuca Ferreti are all coaches that are said to be "made in Mexico" and quite frankly...i dont see what their credentials were for them to get jobs in Mexico. I just dont. I think we should be more selective When it is raise the issue, you get categorized as a xenophobe
aaaaa que la chingada bopper.... he tried that that shyt in Atlas. He tried that shyt in Toluca. He PULLED that shyt with America in 96 What made you think he wouldnt try it or do it with the Mexican national team? you can paint over a cheetah's spots, it is still a cheetah you can take a hoe and make her a housewife, she will still be a hoe what gave people the impression that he would change???
Aww. don't be so hard on ya momma... she be so nasty I called her for phone sex and gave me an ear infection.
I was not around during America 96. So this guy was all new to me when he was selected of the coaching position. I gave him a chance not knowing his true history. Now I know. This guy irked me big time with this I quite sh!t. I'm also irked by the fact that none of our players are getting looked at. You said it many time before LMVCP, it takes a certain type of player to excel with America. None of them are getting playing time. I know some smart ass is going to say Cuau was on vaca. Whatever that champion is rather old, who should be in there is Rojas, Castor, Padilla, Ochoa, but getting real playing time not this sub sh!t.
Everytime i see one of your posts, i wanna give u good rep, but i always get that your most spread some reputation around bullsh1t. anyway, what u said about hugo was so true.
there is no beter candidate than Hugo, give'em the tools and he will finish the job. as simple as that.
It's easy to kick someone when its down in the floor. But In my opinion, repeat, IMO Lavolpe is doing fine. The last game against Colombia sure is a major failure, but he has a good balance and I like the performance of the team in general terms.
what fvcking gave you the impression that we are cool and that you can joke around with me you dumb cvnt???
I agree that the Gold Cup was a total FAILURE, but in the other competitions? It is just the lvl of mexican futbol, don't say that it is a fracaso jus because we couldn't defeat Argentina or Germany, c'mon they are years ahead from us.
That comment makes you seem like a TVAZTECA commentator towards America. Always saying stupid stuff. "They are years ahead from us." STFU People like you are a disgrace. I would understand if we were St. kitt & Nevis, but were Mexico Jack Ass
it's not just about taking out a coach and replacing him, but it is also about taking out the guys in charge (De La Torre, Lebrija, etc.) if we want what's best for our futbol, we have to start from the ground up. as i have said before, i really believe someone like Lapuente, Borja, or Mejia Baron should be in De La Torre's place. people that actually know and have played soccer and have a love for Mexico and want things to progress, rather than some jackass who just thinks with his wallet.