What's the World Cup greatest classic?

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by MIGkiller, Oct 3, 2003.

  1. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Which of these match-ups is the most expected, the most talked and has more history in the history of the World Cups?

    Discuss.
     
  2. dutchboy39

    dutchboy39 New Member

    Jul 9, 2001
    those are all great matchups that you have listed there, however i feel that two important ones have been left out. Holland vs Brazil have produced some amazing matchups. Quarterfinals in 94, and semifinals in 98 were both amazing matchups. Also, Holland vs Argentina has also produced amazing match ups. The final in 78 and the quarterfinal in 98 were also amazing matchups.
     
  3. dutchboy39

    dutchboy39 New Member

    Jul 9, 2001
    wow im sorry for hte over use of the term amazing matchups, i just read what i posted and that really annoyed me and i wrote it.. so 4 everyone sorry
     
  4. Pigs

    Pigs Member

    Everton FC
    England
    Mar 31, 2001
    Everywhere and nowhere
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    IMO Argentina v England.

    1966, 1986, 1998 were all classics.
     
  5. Bauser

    Bauser Member+

    Dec 23, 2000
    Norway
    Club:
    Fredrikstad FK
    Italy - Brazil in my opinion.

    They've met five times in WC history and on four of those occasions the team emerging victoriously has gone on to win the whole tournament. By reputation the best defensive nation vs the best attacking nation in the game.

    Immortal classics particularly 1970 and 1982, but also 1994 had huge drama even if there was no goals.
     
  6. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United FC USOpenCup Champions
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Killa, you've got too many questions here.

    Most expected? Depends on the next W/C draw. If you meant most anticipated, the same applies. We can't do either until there's a draw.

    EDIT: Never mind. I see now you're referring to past matches... my bad. But my vote wouldn't change, because of the history and greatness of the teams involved.

    Most talked about? In what country?

    But I voted Brasil v. Italy based on the history. If bad blood were a requirement, Argentina v. England would probably have to top the list, and Brasil wouldn't even make the poll.
     
  7. Pigs

    Pigs Member

    Everton FC
    England
    Mar 31, 2001
    Everywhere and nowhere
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Same can be said about England v Brazil :)

    2002: Brazil 2-1 England
    1970: Brazil 1-0 England
    1962: Brazil 3-1 England
    1958: Brazil 0-0 England

    :(
     
  8. miko

    miko New Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    Ireland
    Only 1 vote(mine)for Germany v. Holland? Thats a shocker. With all the history between those teams it must be one of the greatest. England v. Brazil is good as well.
     
  9. Germanshepherd

    Germanshepherd New Member

    May 19, 2003
    Rostock, Deutschland
    Germany - England.

    Germany - Holland is a close contender, but maybe Holland is too weak.
     
  10. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I voted Argentina vs England.

    People just cannot get over with Maradona's two goals in 1986 and Simeone/Beckham in 1998. Twenty years from now, we will be still talking about it.

    The Germany-Holland is also classic.... but they do not meet as much as the England-Argentina matchup. The 1994 game was a great game..... so were the 1974 Final.

    Brazil-England.... nothing much!!! They had not played for over 30 years in a WC match.
     
  11. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Some facts about these great confrontations in the history of the World Cup:

    Brazil x England:

    1958: Brazil 0 x 0 England
    (Group stage)

    1962: Brazil 3 x 1 England
    (Quater-finals)

    1970: England 0 x 1 Brazil
    (Group stage)

    2002:England 1 x 2 Brazil
    (Quater-finals)

    Brazil: 3
    Draw: 1
    England: 0

    Argentina x Germany:

    1958: West Germany 3 x 1 Argentina
    (Group stage)

    1966: Argentina 0 x 0 West Germany
    (Group stage)

    1986: Argentina 3 x 2 West Germany
    (Final)

    1990: West Germany 1 x 0 Argentina
    (Final)

    Germany: 2
    Draw: 1
    Argentina: 1

    Brazil x Italy:

    1938: Italy 2 x 1 Brazil
    (Semifinals)

    1970: Brazil 4 x 1 Italy
    (Final)

    1978: Brazil 2 x 1 Italy
    (3rd place dispute)

    1982: Italy 3 x 2 Brazil
    (2nd phase)

    1994: Brazil 0 x 0 Italy (3 x 2 PKs)
    (Final)

    Brazil: 2
    Draw: 1
    Italy: 2

    Argentina x England:

    1962: Argentina 1 x 3 England
    (Group stage)

    1966: England 1 x 0 Argentina
    (Quater-finals)

    1986: Argentina 2 x 1 England
    (Quater-finals)

    1998: Argentina 2 x 2 England (4 x 3 PKs)
    (Round of 16)

    2002: England 1 x 0 Argentina
    (Group stage)

    England: 3
    Draw: 1
    Argentina: 1

    Germany x Holland:

    1974: West Germany 2 x 1 Holland
    (Final)

    1978: West Germany 2 x 2 Holland
    (2nd phase)

    1990: West Germany 2 x 1 Holland
    (Round of 16)

    Germany: 2
    Draw: 1
    Holland: 0

    Germany x England

    1966: England 4 x 2 West Germany
    (Final)

    1970: West Germany 3 x 2 England
    (Quater-finals)

    1982: West Germany 0 x 0 England
    (2nd phase)

    1990: West Germany 1 x 1 England (4 x 3 PKs)
    (Semifinals)

    Germany: 1
    Draw: 2
    England: 1

    Brazil x Argentina:

    1974: Argentina 1 x 2 Brazil
    (2nd phase)

    1978: Argentina 0 x 0 Brazil
    (2nd phase)

    1982: Brazil 3 x 1 Argentina
    (2nd phase)

    1990: Brazil 0 x 1 Argentina
    (Round of 16)

    Brazil: 2
    Draw: 0
    Argentina: 1

    Italy x Argentina:

    1974: Argentina 1 x 1 Italy
    (Group stage)

    1978: Argentina 0 x 1 Italy
    (Group stage)

    1982: Italy 2 x 1 Argentina
    (2nd phase)

    1986: Italy 1 x 1 Argentina
    (Group stage)

    1990: Argentina 1 x 1 Italy (4 x 3 PKs)
    (Semifinals)

    Italy: 2
    Draw: 3
    Argentina: 0
     
  12. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    interesting to see that argentina dosnt have a winning record against brazil italy germany or england
     
  13. DanRod78

    DanRod78 New Member

    Mar 30, 2003
    Kansas City, KS
    I think it's Argentina-Brazil. This is a classic in many levels. Argentina-Brazil is a clasic in:
    - World Cup
    - U-23, U-20, U-17 World Cup and South American championship
    - Copa America
    - Copa Libertadores (their clubs)

    This two countries have a huge rivalry. In many most classics in european leagues argentinians and brazilians are very important part of the teams.
     
  14. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Which is why you can easily imagine that more than just a few Argentine fans weren't too happy on June 30, 2002.
     
  15. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    I'm bored so I'll give you some facts about other fine WC classics. Maybe they are more interesting than some of the match-ups that didn't get any votes:

    Brazil x Holland:

    1974: Holland 2 x 0 Brazil
    (2nd phase)

    1994: Holland 2 x 3 Brazil
    (Quater-finals)

    1998: Brazil 1 x 1 Holland (4 x 2 PKs)
    (Semifinals)

    Brazil: 1
    Draw: 1
    Holland: 1

    France x Italy:

    1938: France 1 x 3 Italy
    (Quater-finals)

    1978: Italy 2 x 1 France
    (Group stage)

    1986: Italy 0 x 2 France
    (Round of 16)

    1998: Italy 0 x 0 France (3 x 4 PKs)
    (Quater-finals)

    Italy: 2
    Draw: 1
    France: 1

    Germany x Italy:

    1962: Italy 0 x 0 West Germany
    (Group stage)

    1970: West Germany 3 x 4 Italy
    (Semifinals)

    1978: West Germany 0 x 0 Italy
    (2nd phase)

    1982: Italy 3 x 1 West Germany
    (Final)

    Italy: 2
    Draw: 2
    Germany: 0

    Brazil x Spain:

    1934: Brazil 1 x 3 Spain
    (Round of 16)

    1950: Brazil 6 x 1 Spain
    (Final Group)

    1962: Brazil 2 x 1 Spain
    (Group stage)

    1978: Brazil 0 x 0 Spain
    (Group stage)

    1986: Spain 0 x 1 Brazil
    (Group stage)

    Brazil: 3
    Draw: 1
    Spain: 1

    France x Germany:

    1958: France 6 x 3 West Germany
    (3rd place dispute)

    1982: West Germany 3 x 3 France (5 x 4 PKs)
    (Semifinals)

    1986: France 0 x 2 West Germany
    (Semifinals)

    Germany: 1
    Draw: 1
    France: 1

    Argentina x Holland:

    1974: Holland 4 x 0 Argentina
    (2nd phase)

    1978: Argentina 3 x 1 Holland
    (Final)

    1998: Holland 2 x 1 Argentina
    (Quater-finals)

    Holland: 2
    Draw: 0
    Argentina: 1

    Brazil x France:

    1958: Brazil 5 x 2 France
    (Semifinals)

    1986: Brazil 1 x 1 France (3 x 4 PKs)
    (Quater-finals)

    1998: France 3 x 0 Brazil
    (Final)

    France: 1
    Draw: 1
    Brazil: 1

    Italy x Spain:

    1934: Spain 1 x 1 Italy
    (Quater-finals)

    1934: Spain 0 x 1 Italy
    (Playoff match)

    1994: Italy 2 x 1 Spain
    (Quater-finals)

    Italy: 2
    Draw: 1
    Spain: 0
     
  16. reggae boy

    reggae boy New Member

    Jul 30, 2003
    Jamaica, West Indies
    WHAT ABOUT 2002 ?
     
  17. soccerfreak #1

    soccerfreak #1 New Member

    Oct 6, 2003
    Cologne
    Best WC game was France-Germany in ´82, and you didn´t list it!!!! shame on you!
     
  18. giggs88

    giggs88 Member

    May 11, 2003
    Virginia
    cameroon vs england
     
  19. Gregoriak

    Gregoriak BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 27, 2002
    Munich
    Now this poll is a joke. Two of the all-time greatest classics have been left out.

    Italy - Germany 4-3 (1970)
    Germany - France 3-3 (1982)
     
  20. MIGkiller

    MIGkiller Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    May 9, 2003
    Rio de Janeiro
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This thread is not about one specific game, it's about recurrent match-ups that also bring a lot of history and rivalry in the World Cup.

    But I would agree to take away the 2 match-ups that didn't get any votes so far, and replace them with other classics that have been repeatedly mentioned in this thread. (Maybe France x Germany and Brazil x Holland). That's if the mods of this forum are willing to do it.
     
  21. The Double

    The Double Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 11, 2002
    Denver
    Post #1000

    England-Argentina
     

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