what's the ref's decision for this case?

Discussion in 'Referee' started by goodduck, Oct 23, 2004.

  1. goodduck

    goodduck New Member

    Apr 26, 2004
    I just saw the Champions League Highlights 20th October Rosenborg v PSV. Anyone saw the whole game?
    There was a senario in the play:
    Happenning in the left side of the field, an attacker running with the ball suddenly changed the ball's direction near the goalline as one defender wanted to tackle him. Since they both ran very fast, they were beyond the goalline and outside the field. While the ball was still in play, before the attacker went back to the field, in ref's opinion, the defender tackled the attacker and made him fall down.
    Ref gave the defender a caution. Unfortunately, the highlights didn't show how to restart the game? Should it be a drop ball?
     
  2. chrisrun

    chrisrun Member

    Jan 13, 2004
    Orlando, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it happened off the Field Of Play, so it can't be a foul - it must be misconduct. When play is stopped to deal with misconduct off the FOP, the restart is a dropped ball from where the ball was when the misconduct occured. (Unless inside the goal area blah blah blah...)
     
  3. Jimjamesak

    Jimjamesak New Member

    May 3, 2003
    Anchorage Alaska
    Then it is restarted according the provision to laid out in Law 8. Since the offense occured outside the field of play but it was, in the opinion of the referee, a cautionable offense so the referee stopped play for a misconduct, and when that happens the game is restarted with an indirect free-kick for the opposing team. (From Law 12 which states "An indirect free kick is given for: commits any other offense, not previously mentioned in Law 12, for which play is stopped to caution or dismiss a player.")
     
  4. HoldenMan

    HoldenMan New Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    NSW, Australia
    that only applies to offences on the field.

    As this occurred off the field there can't possible be an IFK from where the offence occurred.

    a drop ball is the correct restart as per the FIFA Q&A
     
  5. Grizzlierbear

    Grizzlierbear New Member

    Jul 18, 2001
    canada no it is not
    IF the two players were completely off the field of play when the MISCONDUCT occurred, it can not in law be a FOUL, as ANY action taken COMPLETELY outside the field of play while the ball is IN PLAY by ANYBODY is a drop ball restart IF the referee stops SOLEY for that reason. Mind you so much as a toe brushes the boundrylines we are back inside the pitch for a DFK foul. The referee could choose to wait and apply advantage until the next natural stoppage or restart to caution the perpetrator of the misconduct if he so chooses.
     
  6. HoldenMan

    HoldenMan New Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    NSW, Australia
    I'm going to be pedantic.

    The foul occurrs where the contact is made, not where one of the player's feet are.
     
  7. Grizzlierbear

    Grizzlierbear New Member

    Jul 18, 2001
    canada no it is not
    You have every right to be! In my match I will see the foul as on the pitch if that is where EITHER of the players are when it occurs. If not I will see it as misconduct. Just as we view offside step outs, and momentum follow throughs, as not legally being off the FOP.

    Still a good point, if a dribbling player is striding into the PK area straddling the boundryline left leg in side and right leg outside and the behind the back tackle takes out the right ankle trailing just outside the boundryline stopping the OGSO. We can agree RED card but can we agree on PK? Is it the exact physical point of contact for DFK fouls where the restart is generated or does the physical location of the attacker have ay bearing?
     
  8. HoldenMan

    HoldenMan New Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    NSW, Australia

    IMHO I would call that as a DFK just outside the box. Like I said, the way I call it personally (realistlically it's pretty uncommon for this to be an issue)(this isn't from any official advice or anything) is that, if a player is running into the box, and at the point of stride as he's going over the PA line, his rear foot (which is clearly outside the box) is clipped, then I would call it from where the foul occurred which in my opinion is where contact occurrs - DFK just outside the box. I have called it like this in the past, really it's pretty unusual for a call like that when a player is 'half in, half out'.
     
  9. MidwestRef

    MidwestRef New Member

    Feb 8, 2004
    Iowa
    This will probably be a dumb question, but I'll ask it anyway. Since both players can be considered to have left the field during the normal course of action, can't some sort of DFK or PK be considered here? If this was not a cautionable offense, then can you even make a call here?

    Like I said, probably a dumb question. I have yet to deal with a situation like this in any of my games.
     
  10. HoldenMan

    HoldenMan New Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    NSW, Australia
    Nah.

    They're not considered to have left the FOP as far as the relevant cautionable offence goes, and they're considered to be on the FOP for offside (for obvious reasons), but beyond they they're off the FOP.
     
  11. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is something wrong with restarting with a drop ball for committing a cautionable offense off the FOP if it happens in the penalty area. Let's look at the possible scenario where the defender and the offensive player run off the FOP at the goalline, but the ball is in play. The defender could get away with a tactical foul, receive a caution and have play restarted with a drop ball. This is my mind circumvents the spirit of the laws of the game. The defender gained a huge advantage. There is no penalty kick as a restart, merely a dropped ball. Granted this is a rare case, but it does occasionally happen.
     
  12. Tame Lion

    Tame Lion New Member

    Oct 10, 2002
    Southern California
    Pk/dfk?

    I once got into a research project on this. I could find no two [experienced] referees who would agree on what is inside and what is outside the PA. In the end I went with what I thought was the most sensible [to me] answer. If both the attacker's feet are within (or on) the PA, the foul is within the PA. Otherwise, it is outside.
     

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