Sorry, I don't get the need, the objective. Is it because Sam's Army and other Supporters need to be kept apart? Why do I care is a better question, I suppose. But, for some reason, I do. Link to a discussion in progress: https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2738145#post2738145
they are doing a very piss poor job of explaining things... and that's putting it mildly but the forum should definitely stay... i'll post some stuff later on explaining why... for now i'm going to go play with my nephew... he's not in this country much
I'd really like to get some input from the people who make decisions about creating these additional forums.
what the hell was that? have it around for a week and then can it? no time to see if it's worthwhile??? yeah, it didn't start out right... the fact that a couple of morons were touting it off right away wasn't exactly the best of ideas give it longer than a week... just because people don't understand why it's there doesn't mean it's useless fans and travel is simply not what the doctor ordered, bring back the new forum and give it the time it deserves
I think that's pretty beat. I don't understand why anyone would be bothered by a subforum of that kind. There's certainly a deliniation that can take place between general fan and travel stuff and stuff that's more related to trying to get a specific group off the ground. If people have problems with that group then fine, that's their problem but that doesn't mean that a group's representation on these boards should be quashed though. I'm forever thankful for Bigsoccer allowing for a venue to pursue a particular interest and have watched it evolved and grow. Bigsoccer has been the perfect place for it. I feel the US Supporters folks could've or would've benifited in the same way.
it simply wasn't a group... it was the exact same notion as section 8 it's merely the place of support... inside of the area you have SA's, MLS supporter groups, independents, you name it... fans and travel is dedicated to the knick, knack, polley whacks... nothing wrong with that... it's definitely nice to have around, but in no way, shape or form is it about the frenzy the forum could have been the perfect place for all the locos to get together... prepare for upcoming battles but no, because these things are 100% spontaneous, never planned, never studied, never worked on, never perfected... the idea that such a forum should exist is blasphemous to the notion of keeping in game audio and visual support at national team games to a bare minimum national team games should remain all about being in a section and being there... screw the idea of letting the players on the field know that you are there and you have their backs... we can do better... education, planning, debate and cohesion go a long way towards helping that notion... just because it's a frenzy doesn't mean there isn't preparation
The forum's still there. Navigate to the high-level US Men's forum and you see it a sub-forum of Fans and Travel. Maxim - as to why I care. I have seen the US Men's forum split into ever more pieces, most of which don't present a vibrant and interesting place to visit. There are too few visits to most of the spots and now there's yet another place. As what happened when the Music, Movies, TV and Books forum were split into four pieces - you had four dull, weak forums instead of one interesting place to visit. But, apart from a general philosophical opposition to the splintering of the boards, the main beef I had with the creation was the absolute lack of any explanation of why it was done.
weird i found it originally because it was in my forum jump... when it wasn't there any more, i checked out fans & travel to see if the link was still there... i didn't even think to check the men's general area i'm completely against the way it's presently presented... " "US Supporters" Supporters Club Forum"... why don't we quit trying to make it fail and just stop it altogether? ********ing a man, just call it "USA Supporters".... that's it, that's all that's needed... not something trying to make it as cliquish as absolutely possible... [sarcasm]i mean, all we need is more spintering of support at national games[/sarcasm]
What differentiates a fan from a supporter? Why is something additional needed? The Barra Brava, La Norte and Screaming Eagles all seem to do fine on the single DC United board, where discussions of the team, out of town trips to see games, happy hours, tailgates, game results, player acquisition, etc., etc., are all covered on one board. That place is much more interesting than the individual pieces of US Men, US Men News and Analysis, Fans and Travel and Youth Soccer, and now "US Supporters" Supporters forum. As a former mod of all those spots, I'd prefer to help individual supporters groups maintain info links, news on events, tickets, etc. in a single place than many. I don't think we'll ever see eye-to-eye on the need for this. I only care because I think it just makes the place confusing to newbies and degrades the overall US board for reasons stated already. But it's not my board so maybe the current mods ought to weigh in with their opinions.
all supporters are fans, some fans are supporters... supporters are the nutjobs that go crazy in any game dc and the other mls team forums don't really need a seperate forum for the support because the home game is always at the same place... routines are quickly created, it's understood how things happen... besides, pretty much all the teams have email groups to discuss travel, special events, fundraisers, etc.... which are also typically brought up on bigsoccer as well national games are all over the place... which means mostly new people at each stop... which means great confusion and little unity i know of a couple of email groups for national games... but when you consider they are roughly the size of the barnburner's email list (300+)... you realize the problem... not enough people to cover the country sure, it's not as bad as you think... you got the national team lists, which in turn have the mls supporter email lists to turn to... but games in birmingham, seattle, miami and such don't have this sort of advantage which means that there needs to be more places with information... there probably ought to be a stickied thread in the forum we are discussing with links to every mls supporter group's email list, the known national email lists and any other one out there as for why not in fans and travel... because it's fans and travel... not supporters fans and travel is great to have, but it simply doesn't cover the notion of support... and it's a huge difference... f&t has all the viewing party threads, all the travel tips, all the tailgating info... which is all great to have... but these don't mean much of anything, whatsoever, when it comes to actual in game support which is where the sub-group steps in... here we have a forum dedicated to the simple notion of going psychotic... tips could be left on places not to bring drums (i would put chicago in this category... keep it at home, we don't want someone f-ing up the beat for everyone else... one or two drummers who actually know what they are doing is all that is needed) and where to bring them (dc... the motto seems to be bring drums and bang whatever you want whenever you want... i don't like it, but it's not my place) fundraisers for tifo (confetti, streamers, table rolls, etc.), banners, flags, etc. etc. the forum is an extension of the supporter groups and the email lists... it's also a means to draw in new people... instead of people merely waiting til it comes to their town and joining in without any knowledge of what to do passing along the idea that you have to practice this... mls and a-league games are building blocks for national team games by having a forum entirely dedicated to the in game support... you show that it's a real, serious issue... and it is... watching or going to most any national game on u.s. soil will tell you this... it's an extremely serious issue that deserves our attention... home games often become away games because we can't overcome the foreign support i don't expect a forum to change that overnight, but it certainly won't hurt and can only help the cause
And the way to promote more unity is to create a new place for people to go. The thoughts are nice. The execution does nothing to dispel the perception that this is just an attempt to create a faction. All of this could be done within the Fans and Travel section and not by creating a special board.
it's a faction because that is what you want it to be it's a faction because no one takes the time to think about what it is it's a faction because someone decided to create the forum as a faction (look at the idiotic forum's name... it's honestly the closest thing to a star trek convention theme i've ever seen... and i admit, most anything on the internet meant to be a serious discussion holds some merit in the star trek category) if you actually bother to look back at where everything originated (re: the usa supporters yahoo list)... you'll note that things were debated quite a bit and then finalized with the notion of it being purely the pyschotic atmosphere being sought... meaning that it doesn't matter who the ******** you are, but that there does need to be more effort in it... and at the time (when the group was quite active) and even now... there is nobody stepping up sam's army provides a nice service of helping to assure there is an area for the crazies... but games offer very little unity in the crazy area and many people just there (standing and not understanding that you are there to go fukcing nuts)... with different groups constantly trying to start things and nothing unifying the area...
and yes... the seperate area is needed... they are entirely different ideas and should be looked at in completely different lights i find it rather hard to believe that a new forum on a website is so much incredibly harder to do... it really must make people struggle... i mean there is a new forum... what the hell do i do??? can't we just go back to the days where there was a us forum, an mls forum, a ffa forum it would be a whole hell of a lot simplier... it would really go a long ways to unifying bigsoccer which means that there are plenty of people here, this idea has merit... but the manner in which it is being presented leads one to the conclusion that whoever named it is a) a moron or b) not wanting it to last a month which isn't even getting on why it's not in the forum jump or listed as a link in the Fans & Travel forum... which again goes with conclusion b