What's going on in Indian Country...

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  1. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    Fix your quoting. It's a pet peeve.

    Can you tell me, how the characters are different?
     
  2. Deadtigers

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    Zahn was good in Longmire as Mathias. Graham Greene as Malachi was different and A Martinez role was good too, I thought he was Mexican indigenous didn't know he was Apache and Blackfeet. Major Dad as a bad guy was interesting too because as I was watching do that, he was a good guy doctor in This Is Us.
     
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  3. roby

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    Me 'n Billie read all of Tony Hillerman's books about Leaphorn and Chee. The film is not even close. Pretty much like "The Shooter" adapted from Steven Hunter's book "Point Of Impact"! :(
     
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  4. Dr. Wankler

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    My wife and I watched Longmire because “Vic” was great on Battlestar Galactica as Starbuck. The show we happened to watch just before starting Longmire was a BBC show set in Ireland called Ballykissangel. The last season featured a new priest, an Australian guy replacing the previous priest who had in turn replaced the priest from the first three seasons.

    Watched two or three episodes of Longmire before figuring out that the priest from season six of Ballykissangel was Walt ********ing Longmire. Damn, that dude could act.

    Major Dad as a heavy was a new one. Peter Weller as his older brother was great, too.
     
  5. Deadtigers

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    I didn't know Walt was Aussie until I googled. Vic was a but annoying. Like her crush on Walt was weird. Also he is not Peter Weller, he is Robocop. Always has been, always will be. Like you're remembering one actor from another show, the secretary at the police station was the grandma (Matt Sarasen's grandma) who is slowly losing her mind in Friday Night Lights.
     
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  6. Deadtigers

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    Speaking of Indian Actors, this was a great point by Adam Beach about playing a Navajo in Windtalkers

     
  7. chaski

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    In the books, Chee is the one who is much more involved in traditional Navajo culture. Leaphorn less so. Chee is studying to be a healer. Chee did not start as some undercover FBI agent. He was always, in the books, a Navajo Police officer. Manuelito is just an eager young officer when she starts working with Leaphorn and Chee. And she did not used to live with the Leaphorns.
     
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  8. chaski

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    One of the Leaphorn-Chee novels talks about Navajos that like to go see the John Ford film “Cheyenne Autumn.” The film was shot on the reservation and used Navajo extras as the Cheyenne. Navajo get a laugh out of seeing Navajo as Cheyenne, specially when an extra is a relative or acquaintance.
     
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  9. Deadtigers

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    I thought the Cheyenne beefed with the Crow not the Navajo. I thought thr Navajo people main rivals would have Apache and Puebla in the Southwest. I knew the Apache and Comanche hated each other to death.
     
  10. chaski

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    I don’t think the Navajo had any particular opinion of the Cheyenne. The humor was that they were another tribe. IIRC some of the extras were chanting in Navajo.
     
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  11. rslfanboy

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    I'm worried about the backlash.
     
  12. superdave

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    Oh shit my daughter is in a Peru this week!
     
  13. Deadtigers

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  14. superdave

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    I’m posting this here even thought it’s kind of a dead thread in terms of ongoing discussion. I mean, it’s right there in the title, that this thread is for quick hits of news. Anyway….

    Here’s the article that made me think of this

    https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2024/09/deb-haalands-legacy

    What caught my attention is when he wrote that Dems haven’t paid much attention to Interior since Carter. I thought about that for a second, and I think I have a theory for why.

    Reagan winning in 1980 was the biggest story, but that same year a handful of Western liberal Democrats got beat…IIRC it was Church, McGovern, and one or two others.

    With that decimation of the Democratic Party in the noncoastal West, the parts of the country where Interior matters had almost no Democratic representation, and GOPs ideologically are opposed to the basic mission of Interior. So there was no constituency in Congress for an active, helpful Interior Department. And so it has been very underfunded for 40 years.

    thoughts?
     
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  15. ceezmad

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  16. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    A long running dispute in Indian Country - and that thread is FULL of stupidity on a level of BigSoccer Politics circa 2003.

    Many Natives don't see the Lumbee as a homogenous and distinct people (anymore), as they often do with most "state recognized" tribes, because of the level of both intermarriage (white & black) and lack of documentation of ancestry (think of Elizabeth Warren familial memory as "evidence".)

    The Lumbee are no more "intermarried" (read "diluted") than the Cherokee (of either Oklahoma or North Carolina) with either white or black Americans, so that kind of ends up as a non-starter, at least for me and has a lot to do with the increasing prevalence of Anti-Blackness in Indian Country as one moves West of the Mississippi and North / South / West of Oklahoma in particular.

    Some of that is due to their being just as many "black" pretendians as there are "white" pretendians or folks who make "Freedman" claims, some of it is due to the descendants of white & native intermarriage gatekeeping and playing for the white gaze - IOW the 1/256 Cherokee folks who are always there for the set asides, but aren't offended by Native appropriation, disenrollment, etc - the Uncle Tom equivalent to them is "Apple" and some of it is due to Buffalo Soldiers participating in the Plains & Western Indian Wars, pacification and removals to either Oklahoma and other reservations. In the early 2000's there was some serious white washing by people who wanted to take pride in freed slaves who joined the Army as it moved west, but certainly didn't want to deal with the truths that their ancestors participated in colonizing and genocide. The Fort Sill Army museum dedicated to the Buffalo Soldiers has a fairly complete history of the deployments of Black US Army units and their use in both combat and as POW guards during the Indian Wars.

    I haven't put a lot of effort into this other than getting a laugh at old days ESPN when Roy Firestone asked Kelvin Sampson what it was like being the first black MBB coach at Oklahoma and the Big XII and Kelvin corrected him and said he was the first Native coach because he was Lumbee. Eyes like saucers

    For me, the main hang up will always be the ancestry, because both BQ & non BQ Natives are some of the most heavily documented peoples on the planet with their ancestry, and state recognized tribes tend to attract pretendians mostly and people with the Warren family mythology paying to "enroll" or claiming to be Native because of what their parents told them (where is Mel Brennan these days?), because they want the limited benefits of being Native without the trauma, risks, and downsides to being visibly Indian.

    But it's not enough for me to give a shit - but make no mistake, from the 47 side, there will be a cost to getting this "recognition" and I doubt they will like it.
     
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  17. song219

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    I'll always give the Lumbee credit for running off the Klan though.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hayes_Pond
     
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  18. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Leonard Peltier has been freed

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  20. taosjohn

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    I wonder of those of us at a physical and cultural distance will ever find out what really happened...
     
  21. superdave

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    How can y’all mention this without adding that it was dramatized in Porky’s???
     
  22. Deadtigers

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    Didn't know that and welcome back!!
     
  23. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    The Porky's Trilogy came and went before I had access to R Rated Movies or Cable TV
     
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  24. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    No - the majority of those involved at that level of AIM "leadership" that are still alive won't talk, but most are dead
     

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