What's going on in Indian Country...

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  1. Deadtigers

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    Jul 23, 2015
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    Once again never trust the media
     
  2. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    It took about a week of correcting the Big Media Twitter acocunts for it to sink in

    1) Johnston Murray (Chickasaw) - OK
    2) Kevin Stitt (Cherokee) - OK
     
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  3. rslfanboy

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    Stitt is Cherokee???????

    I’m sure his holiday gatherings are fun.
     
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  4. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Stitt is one of those WYTE Cherokee (and his ancestry is disputed by CN geneaologists, even though he's enrolled - ancestor bought on to the rolls) that uses the occassional economic or social status conferred by tribal citizenship, but is willing to sell every Native down the river to make a dollar from a donor
     
  5. Deadtigers

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    Is there a generic term in your tribe or indigenous people for that? Black people have, Uncle Tom, Uncle Ruckus and also House Negro.
     
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  6. FormerGermanGuy

    Mar 1, 2001
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    Not really, but there is apple or coconut, similar to oreo for blacks or banana for asians.

    Source: the Kiowa I married.
     
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  7. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    Scout / Fed - Insinuation that you're working against your people for the government / colonizers / settlers - sometimes tagged to BIA (Bosses Indians Around) employees
    Can Condirm - I heard Apple a lot growing up from Absentee Shawnee guy my cousin married. Don't hear it much now and it don't really hit the same way
    Whom I went to HS with - along with them accused Stitt boys
     
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  8. roby

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    I went to look up some descriptive words for French Canadians...I liked this one. ''just say random religious words harshly and you're good" :D
     
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  9. ToMhIlL

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    Yeah, they us "Tabanac" in the same way a lot of people randomly drop F-bombs mid-sentence.
     
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  10. Deadtigers

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    Lacrosse will be in the Olympics in 2028. Haudenosaunee Nation will stand bizness and medal, hopefully gold!

    Yes it's a cross post but I think this is big deal.
     
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  11. FormerGermanGuy

    Mar 1, 2001
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    She still calls him Stitt the Shit.
     
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  12. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
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    I saw a t-shirt the other day that said "Stitt is a Colonizer" and I asked that woman if I could hug her and she let me
     
  13. taosjohn

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    So taking the two nicknames together, somewhere between a conquistador and a colonoscopy?
     
  14. Deadtigers

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    #489 Deadtigers, Sep 1, 2024
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    I just enjoyed the first season of Dark Winds and didn't know based on a detective novel. But I don't tend to read detective novel so I'll watch shows and I'll take people pointed out to me that there's a whole series of novels behind it.

    It is about the adventures of Navajo Police Joe Leaphorn and Jim Chee. I never heard Dine spoken and it is interesting to hear as well as some customs. Plus Indian school trauma is still fresh. The touch of witch craft is nice.

    Zahn McCouglin seems to be the new Wes Studi ans is Hollywoods Native of choice, he is good as Leaphorn. Kiowa Gordon plays Chee and he seems to play it well. I always found it sad and weird how they have to find natives of like 40 different tribes to make up one tribe on TV. Especially as I have gotten more educated and noticed the vast difference in body makeup and facial structure of different tribes based on region. The Plains ndians look very different from the Southwest ones and they look very different from the Northeast ones
     
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  15. taosjohn

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    At least as different as Franks, Bretons, Cossacks and Nords... and imagine the Lascar or Maori who arrived in London or New York and was told he was much the same as an Ibo or Masai or Zulu?
     
  16. Sounders78

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    We'll make an anthropologist out of you yet! ;)
     
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  17. Deadtigers

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    Well let's never forget New Guinea is called that because somehow the looked similar to the people in Africa they named Guinea.

    I was also watching a YouTube piece on Cosaacks the other day and that section. Of Europe as they arrived was a wild frontier that they dominated to make it theirs.
     
  18. Sounders78

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    Thanks to the Noah's Ark myth, it was believed that there were only 3 races, each of which descended from one of Noah's sons. One race was attributed to be Europeans, one Asians and the other Africans. Melanesians, because of their darker skin, were generally associated with Africans - hence New Guinea. Polynesians were generally associated with Asians. Some early efforts at categorization used "mixes" of the three "races".

    Europeans struggled figuring out American Indians because, thanks to the Noah's Ark myth, they had to have descended from one of Noah's three sons. As such, the solution by Diego Duran in the 16th century (if I remember correctly) was to associate American Indians with the apocryphal "lost tribes of Israel" (no tribe was ever "lost", for the record), given that American Indians looked more Asian-like than African or European. This association became the foundation of the Book of Mormon.
     
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  19. chaski

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    And then they named two nearby islands New Britain and New Ireland.:cautious:
     
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  20. Sounders78

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    Don't forget New Caledonia

    (Caledonia being an ancient name of Scotland)

    There is also the New Hebrides and New Zealand, of course
     
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  21. yossarian

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    Just listened to The Rest Is History podcast two episode take on Captain James Cook. Very cool. I love their pod.
     
  22. Sounders78

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    You might be interested in Sea Peoples: The Puzzle of Polynesia. Fantastic book that covers the European exploration and understanding of the Pacific, including chapters on Cook and Tupaia. I use it as a text.
     
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  23. yossarian

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    They're fairly complimentary of Cook. They readily acknowledge he had all the condescension/superiority hang-ups of Europeans exploring seldom-traveled lands, but that he also had a genuine curiosity about the people he encountered and engaged in a sort of cultural relativism ( I know that's a loaded term ) that wasn't really common for another 100 years.
     
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  24. chaski

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    I watched both seasons of Dark Winds and enjoyed it. They changed a lot from the books and the three main characters (Leaphorn, Chee, and Manuelito) are portrayed differently. But the three actors are very good. I think many of the smaller roles are Navajo actors.
     
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  25. Dr. Wankler

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    He has a recurring role on the Western detective series Longmire, set in Wyoming but filmed in northern New Mexico. Damn good actor. Good roles for legendary Indian actor Graham Greene as the bad guy in Longmire



    Pretty noticeable in Longmire, to be sure.
     
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