Post-match: What we learned from the Summer Series (Bol, Ire, Fra)

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Deadtigers, Jun 10, 2018.

  1. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

    Jul 23, 2015
    Independent Republic of the Bronx, NY
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    I will be honest and say I haven't watch all the games due to life but, I thought there should be a thread that separates the match by match post-match and the thoughts after all three games. With that said the floor is open.
  2. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Youtube: Jimmy Dore, Secular Talk
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2 thedukeofsoccer, Jun 10, 2018
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    The States aren't completely divided and there's still some collective fight left in us.

    We now have the touch and speed of thought to play out of the back sometimes even under congestion with an organized d.

    Lacked a player who linked defense and attack most of the time, sometimes creativity too.

    The physical factor can still be to our advantage against most nations while not losing too much technical ability.

    The cupboard isn't bare and we should get back to or above our normal talent level for next cycle.

    The last two coaches should have moved on integrating some of these players, namely the central defenders, sooner.

    Sarachan will make a respectable option for someone a tier below this pay-grade.
  3. kba4life1

    kba4life1 Member+

    Jul 14, 2010
    Irvine, CA
    Robinson is a definite option moving forward. I think we really need Parks to come good and/or Carleton’s progress to accelerate as we’re still missing a creative engine in the middle. Adams and Mckennie have the makings of something good in the middle, but they just don’t have the chops to create on a regular basis. Weah and Sargent are very promising, looking forward to their club play this fall.
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  4. USOutlaw16

    USOutlaw16 Member+

    Green Bay Voyageurs
    United States
    Jan 22, 2011
    On the Gringo Wall of Shame
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Steffen has locked up his spot as the #1 goalkeeper, even moreso if he works on his ball distribution.

    Bill Hamid killed off whatever little hope he had of being the US #1.

    Sargent and Weah are very promising. Midfield has a lot of potential, but needs a lot of work, particularly the passes that lead nowhere.
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  5. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Old American coaches are all the same.
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  6. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    I think we found a lot of potential options on the back line: Steffen, Robinson, Moore. Miazga looks like a starter.

    There is some hope with our attacking players. Lots of promise in Sargeant and Weah.

    We need to sort out where and how Weston McKennie will play. We need to
    Sort out how Tyler Adams fits in with the midfield.

    And we need a midfielder with sticky feet who can play off the opposing 6 and pull the opposition back line out. But we’ve literally never had that guy so...
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  7. ussoccer97531

    ussoccer97531 Member+

    Oct 12, 2012
    Hard to learn much. The next cycle hasn't even started yet. We have over a year left until our next competitive match. Good games to keep players playing matches and get some younger players some additional matches, but not a whole lot should be taken from these games, IMO.
  8. RedBaron

    RedBaron Member

    Sep 9, 2001
    ACF Fiorentina
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Can't play a game with 3 D-mids; sure, you might scrape a result against France but what do we learn in so doing?

    I'd rather we get pounded trying to make an actual game of it then continuing to play scared. New attitude please.
  9. wrench

    wrench Member+

    May 12, 2007
    Arsenal FC
    Of the three opponents, Bolivia was the weakest. We rolled out the most aggressive lineup. We got a good result. Ireland was pretty much the equivalent of where we usually are. This was pretty much their A team. We dialed back the aggressive, got a goal but fell asleep late. A tie while trying to attack all game would have been a big positive. Going full on bunker was an exercise, IMHO. Good learning experience. I was happy with the way the team shook off early nerves and settled into the task at hand. Ugly but effective. The next set of friendlies will be more of the same, but I feel this was very positive. As for the coach, we def need a coach that can recognize the talent pool for what it is. Use the players we have in a formation that can help them succeed. This is the one aspect that is out of the player's hands. Let's hope Ernie comes thru.
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  10. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Also: I am fine with bunkering against one of the best 2-3 teams on the planet at full strength with our kids and getting a 1-1 result. What did anybody think that match would look like? I walked straight to the front of the line at the sportsbook, bet the over and had beers and a pile of nachos at the ready.

    Everybody talking about how we should have tried to keep the ball against France...ok guys. We should try to keep the ball against Pogba, Kante, Greizman, etc. Sure. With Wil Trapp.

    What did we learn? We learned how to stay organized, defend and get a result against a team like that on the road. We likely got a starting keeper and a whole bunch of confidence.

    If you don’t think that’s valuable go support Brazil.
  11. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A lot of people have said in the last year (and I think they've been right) that we've no longer been demonstrating the sort of fight and determination against all odds that used to characterize the USMNT. Against France, we did demonstrate it, for the first time in ages.

    I don't kid myself that we really merit the result that we got, but we fought like hell to get that result. We showed that we're not dead yet. We can build on that.
  12. cyberthoth

    cyberthoth Member

    Nashville SC
    Aug 7, 2000
    Nashville, TN
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think we've found that Wood is our starting forward this cycle. Sargent may have something to say about that in a few years but Wood showed good hold up play and the ability to finish. I really think the other thing we learned is we need Hyndman or a player like him to develop and soon. I can see the McKennie/Adams partnership working so much better with a CM like that just ahead of them. Where's this generation's Stewart Holden/John O'Brien/Claudio Reyna?
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  13. Rahbiefowlah

    Rahbiefowlah Member+

    Oct 22, 2001
    Las Vegas
    Hopefully he’s playing for Benfica.
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  14. a_new_fan

    a_new_fan Member+

    Jul 6, 2006
    we may need to play 5 in the back because thats where the talent for the us is. I really think they have multiple options at both rwb/lwb and on top of that 5/6 decent options going forward as cb.

    They have two many 6s and way too many 6s that are masquerading as 8/10 options. They lack a player who can distribute from the middle. I know people will say parks but can the usmnt really rely on a kid who couldn't get in the 18 in two matches to be the driving force for the offense going forward..I mean what if he gets the flu...who else is there?

    up front I just don't know. Maybe get a free agent like JS and promise him he'll play.
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  15. appoo

    appoo Member+

    Jul 30, 2001
    That we have legit talent and depth to build a QF/SF back 7, and that other than Pulisic we're lacking high end, ready for primetime attacking talent. That have zero talent ready to step up as a creative, central midfielder. That we're in trouble at striker. That we desperately need Timmy Weah to grown into his potential and for Saief to show out at a highet level.
  16. grandinquisitor28

    Feb 11, 2002
    I can tell you where you also saw this never say die attitude:

    2015 U-20 WC

    Round of 16 against Colombia: Outmanned against a superior team, we beat them in extra time, and Steffen saved a penalty late to preserve the victory.

    Quarterfinals against Serbia: Pushed the game to Penalties (they only managed to finish us off with penalties despite us playing without any of our top 3-4 options at forward).

    2017 U-20 WC

    Opener against Ecuador: A total disaster. Down 2-0 after 10 minutes, fight back to tie it up, then the keeper makes a horror show error to gift Ecuador a 3-2 lead with 25 mins left, and then we draw them in extra time in the 94th minute.

    Quarterfinals against Venezuela: Overmatched (outshot 26-7), the kids still managed to push the game to extra time, and despite falling behind 2-0, they fought back, getting it to 1-2 before they ran out of time. Superficially it seems like a failure, but I definitely think one can take heart in the fact that despitely being totally outmatched, Venezuela needed extra time to finally find a way to break through, and even then it was hard to finally kill us off.

    Traditionally these kinds of performances were the sort we could expect from the original generation in the 90's and Donovan and McBride's American squads in the aughts. Murderously difficult to play against, a team you had to well and truly finish off to know you'd beaten them. We haven't really been that team in ages, but I think it's a positive that the kids coming up, the 1995-2001 generation, has shown plenty of evidence that they have far more in common with American squads circa 1994-2010 then they do with American squads circa 2011-2017.
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  17. neems

    neems Member+

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Apr 14, 2009
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I learned that the new coach will need to use the entire pool. The young guys were promising in these friendlies, but overall we need a big reset. That includes utilizing guys who might not be starters in the next WC, that may be excellent squad players, and considering some of the players responsible for disappointing performances last cycle.

    Overall, I think we have an very good pool if you include every available player and a lot of competition for spots. That’s a good thing. However, the glaring weakness is at striker and it doesn’t look likely to change in the next couple years.
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  18. USA-Zebuel

    USA-Zebuel Member+

    Mar 26, 2013
    Colón de Santa Fe
    Love to the fellow NV. Good points.
    You haven’t watched sports until you watch games in a smoky sports book!
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  19. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I think we confirmed that Wood shouldn't be called anymore. He is the worst by a wide margin.
  20. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm going to choose to focus on a few of the newer faces.

    Robinson needs polish but he has the physical tools. If he develops into a Yedlin level player we will be in great shape at a long time position of need. If he can get a better loan that Bolton next year and get some good minutes in the first division it would be very good for him.

    CCV same could be said for him. I think a loan to Holland will do him the some good. There he will be forced to work on his passing and composure similar to Miazga.

    Miazga looks much improved. Hope to see him in Italy or German next. They'd both be great places to learn.

    Adams isn't a CM at the higher levels. He just don't have the composure on the ball. He's still young and can improve there but he has his work cut out for him. He has the physical tools to be a good Wingback.

    Steffen is a good shot stopper. He needs to work on distribution but he's in the poll position for the 1 spot.

    EPB, Parks, Weah and Sargent all look promising but their raw. These four have the highest ceiling. Will be interested to see where their clubs deem them to be.

    All in all our youth look promising with the highest ceiling I've seen in a long time. And there are plenty more not listed.
  21. cyberthoth

    cyberthoth Member

    Nashville SC
    Aug 7, 2000
    Nashville, TN
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I really don't get the hate for Wood. He held the ball, scored in one game and nearly scored in the other despite getting no service whatsoever because we played 3 DMS and only one other attacking player. No forward on the planet is going to look good with that line-up we trotted out against France.
  22. Sombrerito

    Sombrerito Member

    United States
    May 6, 2018
    Basically from defense to defensive midfield we are set and with everyone firing on all cylinders we can compete with anyone. Attack?.... we’re not even top 2 in Concacaf in that regard.

    If we could get a legit attack for the good defense I’m fully confident the next generation at best is 2009 usmnt confeds level at least. Thankfully i think we can get a good attack within the next year when other young attackers are blooded in.
  23. Fire Bradley

    Fire Bradley Member

    Aug 28, 2008
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What these games really did for me is get my excitement level up to watch how Miazga/CCV/Weah/Sargent/Parks/McKennie/Robinson/EPB and Greens euro club seasons go in 2018-19.
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  24. Susaeta

    Susaeta BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 3, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Pulisic, McKennie, and Miazga are good foundational pieces to start building a team around.

    Robinson, Sargent, Steffen, CCV, EPB, Weah and Moore are interesting prospects, but need to prove it over time.

    The US desperately needs more creative players.
  25. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
    time to bring back the 2007-08 empty bucket training tapes.
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