What video replay will look like one day in MLS

This defiantly requires a poll.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mbbwN5-XJo"]YouTube- England VS Germany Frank Lampard's goal disallowed.[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nia2FAkDyac"]YouTube- Argentina vs Mexico [1-0] Tevez offside Goal[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqLfdmPvYhg"]YouTube- France vs Ireland - Thierry Henry handball[/ame]

 

i am 100% for replay, much like all Americans who watch football and see that "challenges" and replays, right wrong's. players are too good and too fast these days for 1 ref. i would like to see:

1 head ref (on field)
2 assistant refs (on field)
2 left side judges
2 right side judges
1 ref behind each goal

 

Right now, goal or no-goal should be the only reviews at the moment. I understand a penalty/non-penalty can be very subjective, but the number of times it could be challenged would be worrisome. Plus, what if the challenge is used, it's not overturned, and two minutes later the worst non-goal goal ever is scored.

Let the replay official review every shot on goal and at any moment can buzzer the ref to stop play because a goal was really scored. And, on EVERY goal, the replay official quickly reviews the goal to verify they're onside and the ball went past the line before play can resume.

I would love to see MLS take the lead on this and maybe one-up Europe and FIFA and show them how it's done. If they show it can be done, maybe the rest of the world will quickly adopt the setup.

Sykotyk

 

Except for the world view of:

"America, soccer guys, you're doing it wrong"

That would only support said stance.

 

I know MLS would incur some FIFA grief, but why not start something like this. Seriously, to the casual fan this is the exact stuff that turns them off. MLS can get out ahead of this and institute it.

 

And has to be tried somewhere. And I certainly don't want the guinea pig to be 2014 WCQ or the 2014 WC. Or even a Confed Cup. Let a regular league that would be more receptive to it (i.e., the U.S.) give it a shot and let FIFA see the data and results. The delays in game play, the corrections, the missed corrections, the missed reviews, etc and determine how to teak it for the world at large in major fifa tournaments.

Sykotyk

 

I think offside should be reviewable before judgment calls.

I personally believe false positives (offside flagged goal scored, player actually onside) could be reviewed if the referee held his whistle momentarily on close breakaways.

 

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...tion-open-added-ref-technology?cc=5901&ver=us

 

of your famous examples, only #1 would be able to be reviewed under your guidelines. in situation 2, the ball clearly went in the net, but you are proposing that the assistant referee also check for offside (which wasnt one of your original 6 situations).

in situation 3, again the henry shot clearly went into the net. now you want the assistant referee to check for handballs that were missed, which again is beyond the scope of your original post.

in my opinion, they should just limit the use of technology for cases when the ball clearly passes the line and is in the goal. additionally, they should review game footage after the game to hand out penalties / fines to people who simulate / dive, but they shouldnt do this in the middle of the game.

i'd leave blown offside and handballs to the main ref, and not make those reviewable.

 

I think two extra refs either behind the goal, or along the sideline to share the duties with the linesman is the best approach. With replays, you can only use it to judge a ball crossing the line. Anything more than that leads to a slippery slope. Every single penalty called will lead to a replay challenge.

With extra referees, you can have an extra pair of eyes to help with making the correct decisions with regard to offside, spotting handballs (Luis Fabiano vs CIV), making the correct calls about PKs -- those are a bigger a deal to get right because, really how often does something like the Lampard shot happen in soccer? Wrong calls on offside, missed handballs, dodgy pk calls...those things happen all the time. The last botched goal line call, based on the coverage, seems like it came from Geoff Hurst, that was how many world cups ago?

 

You don't need replay and you don't need to stop or slow the game at all. What you need are RFID tags on each player, in the ball, and detectors in the field. Every ball that crosses the goal mouth and every offside will be determined with total accuracy by mechanical means and there will be no need for judgment calls.

 

I'm for replay, but only for goals/non goals, or offside/non offside that led to a goal. i DON'T want replay for tackles, or placement of free kicks, or even possable penalties, aka handballs in the box. And I think there needs to be a time limit. The biggest disadvantage of replay is the possability that it could slow down the game. We don't want that. I say a minute or two time limit for the replay. If you can't decide if it was a goal in 90 seconds, then it's probably too close to say for sure anyways. If tv replays can get a replay done in a matter of seconds, so should we. An official in the press box can see if it was a goal or whatever, then radio down to the fourth official and he can tell the head official.

 

Where on the player do you put the RFID tag to make sure offside can be determined with total accuracy?

I do think RFID-style tech can be used on the ball for the goal line.

 

I'd like to see additional refs/officials...

Official behind each goal, a la NHL. However, this ref can signal for fouls/penalties.

Double the current number of ref assistants to 4, each side gets two, one for each half of the field. Either side can make a call, including fouls.

The main ref has the power to over turn a call by the assistants.

This setup gives eyes in all four directions of play to be able to call infractions.

 

Where are leagues going to get the money to pay for these extra 4 refs? That's my only real complaint about the "just add more refs" proposals.

 

Agreed, that is something that needs to be addressed. In regards to the MLS, make a small percentage increase that the league takes from the team to cover "league operating expenses."

 

I actually think the goalline officials is a good job for referees who are too old to do the the running that is required for being a CR or AR, but still have good eyes and a good feel for the game. The required retirement age for goalline officials could be significantly higher than for other officials, and allow good older officials with wisdom and experience to remain a part of th game.

 

Here is what I posted in another thread on this topic.

After reading this thread and engaging in interesting and impassioned discussion from many differing viewpoints, here is what I would do.

1. Fouls, handballs, etc. would remain non-reviewable during the match. After the match, video evidence would be used to dole out suspensions, fines and other punishments for fouls, dives, and other misconduct missed by the match officials. As has been discussed to death already, fouls, handballs, dangerous play, and other calls just involve way too much subjectivity for video replay to work effectively, plus most other sports with replay do not review fouls etc. For example, two reasonable people will often disagree on whether a player intended to play a ball off the hand.

2. Goal line disputes (some excellent posts have lead me to change my position on how this would work): A fifth official would watch video and if he sees a goal occur immediately communicate this to the CR who wears an earpiece. Play would be stopped; the goal awarded; and play would of course resume with a kick off. Germany-England solved.

3. Offside: Each team would have two challenges. If the attacking team wishes to dispute an offside call, they must indicate a challenge before play resumes. If a review lasting no more than a minute shows indisputable evidence of a missed call, the attacking team would restart play with an indirect free kick. If the defending team concedes a goal but feels that the goal should be disallowed for offside, then before play is restarted the defending team can use a challenge to have the play reviewed and the goal disallowed if there was offside. This system ensures that both defenders and attackers benefit from video replay, rather than creating a system that only benefits defenders. Argentina-Mexico, and USA-Algeria (USA would have had an indiret free kick at the point where Dempsey was called offside) both solved. Stoppage time would of course be added on for these reviews.

Because only 4 brief challenges would occur in a match, and all these challenges would only be made at points in the match where play has already stopped (thus creating no additional stoppages in play), disruption to the game would be negligible.