What the heck is the USWNT supposed to do with Carli Lloyd?

Sorry-- must have misread the date on the announcement I saw, and it was old?

 

Thank you.

 

Can someone remind me why at around 1AM pacific time, “Carli” is trending and there’s over 3,600 tweets from twitter bashing and criticizing a pre-season Carli Lloyd? Does Lloyd have to now score 5 goals in one game to hush everyone up? Does Alex Morgan get the same amount of hate when she doesn’t score goals or does she get a break because she’s a cute girl next door media darling? I seriously don’t understand this weird social media trend going on where all of a sudden, everyone is a Christen Press Stan and Lloyd is an evil person manipulating Vlatko under her control..... it’s all so silly to me.

I’m not saying don’t criticize Lloyd btw, I just find it funny there’s like over 3,600 tweets bashing her for skying a ball....she’s done those mistakes before, it used to be her routine in her 20s many moons ago. These people must be 14 years old or something... who knows, maybe I’m getting too old for social media.

 

Funny, I get a completely different take when I search on #CarlyLloyd ...

 

I’m getting #carli as the trend not #CarlyLloyd and it’s over 3600 tweets bashing her for some reason, apparently there’s some stupid conspiracy that she has blackmailed or brainwashed Vlatko into starting her over Christen Press.

My thoughts? She has a chance to redeem herself coming in as a sub on Sunday. Yes, I know she has only scored one goal so far and Press has scored many more...I’m just perplexed how much hate Lloyd has sparked during this tournament. Honestly, I’ve seen worse from her in previous tournaments. If she doesn’t produce in the next series of friendlies, then yes she doesn’t deserve a roster spot, but if she scores 10 goals in the next 7 matches, it’s hard to leave her off.

 

Start her and watch the goals fly in and wins pile up?

 

I'm going to guess that some of it has to do with her public comments about deserving to start under Ellis. She's now getting the chance, and she's not showing that she was more deserving to start over others. I don't think she's played well, but not worthy of any hate either. No one played well in the Haiti game, so I don't think her poor play in that game should be counted against her. And she played fairly well against Costa Rica, but not against Mexico. So, overall, not her best tournament. My opinion: she should be benched to see if another forward can do better, but by no means is it time to cut her from the team.

A lot of it is probably from people who really don't follow the team, and don't realize that she has been the first backup for Morgan for the entire past cycle. So it's pretty natural that she's starting with Morgan out. It's not a conspiracy.

 

I can't imagine her not starting against Canada; roster's not big enough to be all-new, and somebody's gotta put a little fear into them or they'll beat the crap out of anyone they can. And that's one of her specialties...

I don't think she's been bad this tournament over all-- just hasn't shot well, which IIRC has often been true of her this time of year.

Lloyd, Horan, Mewis, MacDonald seem like necessities to me against Canada. I might put JJ at center back-- she's more exposed as the midfield destroyer, and you really don't want her getting hurt before the Olympics (or in them)

 

That may well be why she started over Carli and Press in the WC.

btw, don't use the word "girl" wrt and adult female. It's demeaning.

btw btw, I think Press is cuter.

In her 20's she was playing as a 6 or 8. The expectations were totally different than from a 9.

For myself, I don't think she should just be handed the job b/c Alex is out. I'd be giving Horan minutes there. I think Horan is probably a better 9 at this point in time. All of Horan, Carli, Press, Lynn, and McDonald should be getting a crack at it, based on what I've seen.

But, there is limited time. It will be Carli. And, if Morgan is practicing, it's going to be very hard to leave her off the roster because ….. politics.

If she's practicing and gets left off, she's going to holla discrimination.

 

Lloyd and Rapinoe really showing their age in the Mexico game.

 

But we had two assists vs. Mex. One was by Pinoe and the other one was by Pinoe.

 

Well, I hope she starts scoring more than Carli, she is a lot younger. No matter what you think of Carli, she won’t be in the next WWC. But her flurries of goals seem to come against minnows. When she starts scoring against top 10 teams at Carli’s rate, she will win me over. Of her 56 goals, only about 9 are in that category. She certainly has no hat tricks in tournaments against the top 10.

 

don't comment on a woman’s cuteness in a conversation about work skills. It’s demeaning.

 

But look at MR’s (lack of) movement and overall poor production. The entire front line was weak until Press and Williams entered the game. All back and midfield to that point.

 

You bring your speed in when the other guys are tired and used to timing your other guys, that's pretty much bound to happen, isn't it? Whole reason for doing that?

 

I am all for giving Lindsay a long look at the 9. To me, she's more of a 9 than anyone we have, or anyone we have had for a long time. Like, Akers was a better 9, but who else? The fact that Lindsay is an excellent passer is pure gravy, or pure guava, depending on your palette. But, it's fantastic.

On the topic of players that play a role that we haven't had in generations - and I'm getting off topic, Rose is the best playmaker we've had since maybe when Mia played in the midfield when she was a teenager.

The closest comparisons I can think of were Milly and Lilly. They both could pass really well Milly could slice defenses on the dribble. But, young Mia, Lilly, Milly, that's getting to be a long time ago. Rose is the best playmaker we've had in a long long time. Not saying she's the equal Mia, Milly, and Lilly, they were fantastic scorers.

Imo, if we start off with Horan at 9, Rose at 10, Mewis at 8, Ertz at 6, when have we been stronger in the spine?

Regarding Pinoe, she's and Carli are similar conundrums. We don't have anyone else that is as savagely goal hungry as Carli and we don't have anyone else that can play in a ball from wide like Pinoe. And, when we go with the slow wingers (Pinoe and Tobin) that's going to have to be our game. We have nothing else. At this point in their careers, there is no such thing as playing Pinoe, Carli, or Tobin through.

I said before the WC that Pinoe and Tobin were an either/or. We couldn't have both of them on the field b/c we'd be too slow in the attack. To my surprise, it worked out great.

I conclude that our team defense must have been incredible. Yes, our possession was great to get the ball slowly up into dangerous areas. But, you've got to have the ball - a lot of the ball - to basically never have a quick strike goal, and still win every match.

So, ya, I'd like to see Press on the field for either Pinoe or Tobin.

And, final aside, it's amazing how Mal isn't really in discussions any more. I've only seen Sophia Smith play against college competition, but she is a real threat to supplant Pugh.

 

Absolutely true. And I would never have, except that McSkills had called Alex a "cute girl next door.." Frankly, I don't know why you, Clive, are commenting on my post, and not McSkillz's post. She introduced the topic of appearance.

I was on the fence about posting that. But, I came down on the side that if I let McSkillz conjecture that Morgan plays because she's the cutest stand without comment, that would be a tacit agreement that Morgan is the cutest.

If I was WNT player, I'd be sick to death of hearing that Morgan is the cutest and "Most Marketable" (i.e., cutest). So, I made an honest reply on a topic that McSkillz created. I think your beef is with McSkillz, but ya, I agree with you on general principal. Let's not refer to any player as a "girl" (unless they're under 18) and let's not bring their appearance into the discussion.

Lastly, it would be comical if women were held to the same standard. Wife and I were watching a beachfront bargain hunt the other night and a woman said in a sexy way "I could stand on this pier and pick out surfers (to approach) allll dayyyy." Wife and I were laughing about if they'd shown a man making that comment about women.

But, ya, I'm wittya.

 

I think Canada has gotten away from thug-ball, also known as the Tancredi Stomp.

 

I'm staying out of this debate but enjoying the read.

 

I just watched them against CR, and no they haven't.

They didn't stomp anybody maybe, but they were definitely using size and strength to bounce bodies and intimidate; and what else can they do to create a little separation against us?

 

That works for me. I was hoping to see Dunn get a shot in the attack with the new manager. And, for me, between Pinoe and Tobin, it's a "pick 'em." But, ya, that works for me.

Question - has Brunn's game fallen off?

 

Thank you for the feedback. My impression from the WC was that they weren't so thuggy. But, I'll defer to your more recent observations.