What should Hillary's strategy be?

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  1. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

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    It is, as others have said, a target rich environment. Even more so since it's hard to imagine that any amount of piling on will gain Trump much - if any - sympathy. He's like a disgustingly rich and egotistical version of Scut Farkus. People want to see him take a public beating. What are his negative ratings up to now, 70%?
     
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  2. raza_rebel

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    Actually, there was an article earlier this week that had three campaign managers from Jeb! Cruz and Rubio. It was an informal discussion. One of the managers pretty much stated that they didn't give him much though, one manager even skeptical that Drumpf would file or qualify for the debates and it was a publicity stunt.

    Here is it --> http://highline.huffingtonpost.com/articles/en/sad/

    Here is the quote:
     
  3. JohnR

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    Jun 23, 2000
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    A reasonable guess. Trump did that very thing in 2012, teasing until "dropping out" in December. His business career has been full of bluff and fakery, too. He was (in)famous back in the corporate-raider days of the late Eighties for dropping hints that he would take out a company (by bidding on its stock, to gain voting control), but never putting up the dollars to do so.

    But a wrong guess, as it turned out.
     
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  4. dapip

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    Hillary is already hitting, while Drumpf has no money (but he likes his cheering crowds)...


    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/201...campaign-while-Trump-scrambles-to-raise-money


    Hillary Clinton’s campaign is about to make a splash in eight battleground states with an ad buy of more than $7 million. Virginia will see $1.6 million in ads, $1.3 million is going to Ohio, $1 million will go to Iowa, and New Hampshire, Florida, Nevada, North Carolina, and Colorado will all see ad spending in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. While one of the ads running is a negative spot against Donald Trump, voters will also see two positive ads focusing on her commitment to kids (watch them below).

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    Mr. Trump has informed people raising money for his campaign that he is not interested in traveling to states for donor events unless there is a rally scheduled as well, according to the people involved. Those rallies have often garnered Mr. Trump national cable news coverage, the type of news media attention that fueled his primary campaign.

    But the result for now has been that Mr. Trump is campaigning in states where he has far less risk of being defeated by Mrs. Clinton than states that are likely to be competitive, like Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin, Rust Belt states with large numbers of the white working-class voters who have been most receptive to Mr. Trump’s message.
     
  5. MatthausSammer

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    Up until I read this paragraph, I didn't doubt Trump's desire to actually win and become President. This dents that assumption.
     
  6. ToMhIlL

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    Um, well, maybe they should have done at least a little bit of background and fact-checking on him, treat him the same way as they did for Fiorina, Christie, Huckleberry Hound or whoever else they considered the JV team. But then again, he's good for the (media) business. Reporters LOOOOOVE subjects that say outrageous (or even mildly interesting) stuff instead of the usual Cliche-O-Rama.

    This isn't very clearly written. Does this mean that he is campaigning in states other than Ohio, Michigan, etc. because he thinks he will beat Clinton (or at least be "competitive") in those states? Which states are those? But then it says Ohio, Michigan, W'scaaahnsn, etc. have been receptive to his message, so you think he would campaign there. And he's not wasting his time in places he won't win, like, well, most of the "solid blue" states?
     
  7. JohnR

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    He's campaigning in red states to raise money, and to attract big crowds so that the media stories report that he is popular.
     
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  8. superdave

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    fyp
     
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  9. MatthausSammer

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    Trump's strategy is starting to fall apart. The media isn't as impressed with him in the general as they were in the primaries, and the general electorate definitely isn't as impressed with him as the Republican base. The Dems are also counter-jabbing effectively where appropriate.
     
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  10. chaski

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    Plop!

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...rump-poll-numbers-us-election-hillary-clinton
     
  11. ceezmad

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    As long as they talk about his dumb ass he is getting media time for free.
     
  12. JohnR

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    Perhaps the Mort Downey effect is kicking in. That guy packed 10 years' worth of popularity into his 15 minutes of fame. But that was all he got, because it was too effing boring to listen to the same crazy-aggressive shit again and again. So the fans quickly moved on.

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  13. raza_rebel

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    That...and it's not that easy to run a year and a half campaign on negativity and hate. Eventually people get tired of it
     
  14. Q*bert Jones III

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    It worked for Hitler.
     
  15. song219

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    But didn't he pivot to the center after the Nazi Party primaries?
     
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  16. JohnR

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    When I want to hear Drumpf's campaign slogan, I'll ask you.
     
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  17. superdave

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    I'd like to think our democratic norms and traditions are stronger than Germany's in 1932.
     
  18. Knave

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    I'd like to think lots of things.
     
  19. dapip

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    At this point, Hillary can probably just sit and eat popcorn.
     
  20. appoo

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    And to be fair to 1932 Germans, the rest of the world turned their nation into an economic hellhole after WWI, so they were nice and ready for a furious populist.
     
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  21. appoo

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    Time to put the foot down onto the neck. This is the last month where they have the attention of the American populace, until Fall. It's summer, and kids are back home from school, and that means vacationing and other kinds of distractions where people just don't give as much thought to on going political tit-for-tat. Once the clock hits July, the campaigns are basically set with the exception of the conventions.

    4 Years ago, Obama drowned Romney in negative ads in the Spring, and was able to define him as this super awkward plutocrat who was the reincarnation of Gordon Gecko - much of which was bullshit extrapolation from his work at Bain, which is fine because Romney's entire campaign was a lie that said Obama was at fault for the poor economy.

    But basically, what you define in the spring, will be difficult to change in the Fall.
     
  22. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

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    Agreed. And I think this is what's planned.

    Good Lord, that Cleveland convention is going to be some fascinating reality TV.
     
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  23. dapip

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    Just like Obumer did to the "Muricans!!!!!
     
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  24. uclacarlos

    uclacarlos Member+

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    And the sad thing is the lame stream media doesn't challenge Obama on anything.

    We need to dispel this fiction that Obummer doesn't know what he's doing.

    He knows exactly what he's doing.

    Ppl can't believe that this president does the things he does. There must be something behind it all.
     
  25. ElJefe

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    I don't know how it's been going in other swing states, but here in Colorado, we have been getting a constant stream of ads from Hilldawg's campaign and the Priorities USA (read: Hilldawg) super PAC. From the former we've been getting two ads, both of which are positive ads about how Hilldawg's for the children (read in ODB's voice) and has been for decades. The latter have been two variations on this ad:



    Meanwhile, the only ads that we've been getting from Republicans are ones running in the Senate primary to face Michael Bennet in the fall.
     

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