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  1. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So Suarez apologized, but he never mentioned spitting directly, just bad behavior. Really, really weak sauce.
    Also, Miami is grandstanding, saying this isn’t us, it’s unacceptable, shameful, blah blah blah. Less talk, more rock. Sit his ass, Miami!
     
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  2. griffin1108

    griffin1108 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 5, 2003
    Virginia
    Compare how Rooney handled the first Taxi racist moment. Rooney pulled him immediately after the incident was reported to him. Macherano, on the other hand, has largely remained radio silent. Taxi's actions were words, Suarez actually spit which legally is a battery (unwanted touching).
     
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  3. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    Bill Romanowski was not suspended, but was fined $7,500 by the NFL for spitting on 49ers player J.J. Stokes in 1997. Should be interesting to see how this goes.
     
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  4. Th4119

    Th4119 Member+

    Jul 26, 2001
    Annandale, VA
    $7,500 in 1997 is the equivalent of $15,095 today (yikes). NFL revenues have soared over 10x from $2B to $23B.

    Are you taking the over or under on a $150,000 fine?
     
  5. PSURoss

    PSURoss Member+

    Sep 30, 2002
    DC Burbs
    For Suarez? Definetly under. For the Jalen Carter & Dak, probably.
     
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  6. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Suarez suspended 6 Leagues Cup games. Fined also (NFI).

    LOL!!!!!!
     
  7. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You expected different? It happened in the leagues cup.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Suarez gets 6 games, which under the new format would be the whole thing if Inter makes the final, and would be through the semifinal (I think I calculated that right) under the old format.

    Busquets 2, an Inter player nobody cares about got 3, and Lenhart got 5.

    There were also undisclosed fines.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He just wants to bitch.
     
  10. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Good to see you guys backing Don Garber and MLS.

    You’re right, what can they do?
     
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  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    $150K would be exactly 1/10 of Suarez’ salary, so yes, very, very much the under in that one.
     
  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It’s very Trumpian to do something first and then figure out if it’s legal later.

    Are you Donald in Disguise?
     
  13. pr0ner

    pr0ner Member+

    Jan 13, 2007
    Alexandria, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again, Miami and Seattle don't play in MLS again until *next weekend*, so MLS doesn't need to rush a suspension announcement. The door is still wide open, and there is still plenty of precedent, for MLS to suspend players for league games.
     
  14. United1

    United1 Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Arlington, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Not sure what this means?

    I’m assuming you haven't played the game? Your takes are usually wildly off, so I’m assuming your experience with soccer ended around age 6, if it ever started in the first place?

    Spitting on another player or someone associated with the match is an abomination. He should be suspended both for that ridiculous tournament (that may not even be played next year), AND during MLS play.

    See, that isn’t so hard.
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why should he be suspended for both? That’s an assertion.

    1. 6 games is a lot. Taking off your “I hate Garber” goggles for a second, how long should it be? Brian Mullan got 10 games for ending a career.
    2. You still don’t know whether or not Garber has the authority to punish a player for a non MLS competition. Players have gotten red cards and such in the CCL and I don’t think any of them EVER has been punished by MLS. That’s an exact analogy.

    You’re half right…understanding what’s going on isn’t that hard for me. For you it’s apparently impossible.
     
  16. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    That just isn't true and I can show you. Here's the relevant part of the CBA, which I quoted earlier. Perhaps you missed it?
    That's pretty unequivocal IMO.

    Furthermore, people HAVE been suspended in MLS play because of their behavior in League Cup. For example Mike Petke was suspended by the Leagues Cup committee and then received an additional suspension and fine from Don Garber Himself which led to his firing at RSL.

    MLS could absolutely punish Luis Suarez if they wanted to. They just don't want to.
     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    1. Petke verbally abused a ref, which we already know is different.
    2. His abuse was homophobic, which we also already know is different.
    3., coaches don’t have a union contract with the league.

    The small i indicates you’re leaving out a shitload of context. Do you have a link rather than a screenshot?

    Here’s a question…has MLS had an a spitting incident, and how long was the suspension? Because the ask here is for more than 6 matches. Yes, Suarez has a history so unless it’s Kovalenko or el Pescadito or someone the comparison is gonna need some work to account for that history. But it’s a starting point for discussion.
     
  18. Q*bert Jones III

    Q*bert Jones III The People's Poet

    Feb 12, 2005
    Woodstock, NY
    Club:
    DC United
    You are splitting the hairs off of hairs. That's probably because you believe in the existence and importance of rules. But MLS has once again proven that they'll simply bend or ignore rules if they feel like it.

    Here's the whole CBA:
    https://s3.amazonaws.com/mlspa/2020-2028-CBA-Long-Form_FINAL.pdf?mtime=20230221184117

    To me, the amount of games is largely unimportant. They could ban Suarez from 50 exhibition games and neither he nor I would care in the slightest. The far bigger issue is that he's not missing any meaningful games. Not one. That's outrageous.
     
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  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn’t say whether or not non MLS games are included. We still don’t know for sure.
     
  20. morrissey

    morrissey Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    West Los Angeles, Calif
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New here? IDGAF about MLS or Garber. Our motto used to be F-MLS Vamos United.
     
  21. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If I could take a dump all over this post I would. But you’re an old head here and a DC fan so I can’t hate ya, but why you wanna go there?

    I believe Suarez is employed by MLS, so it’s seems within their bounds to suspend him separately than the Leagues Cup suspension. Detrimental behavior, blah, blah. The laughable part is thinking MLS isn’t already aware of any legal ramifications, that’s just too naive.

    MLS might be waiting for Miami to make their move/shrug it off before they do. More likely both MLS and Miami will just wait until no one cares anymore and not do a damn thing. They said all the hardline stuff, that’s good enough no need for follow through.
     
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  22. John L

    John L Member+

    Sep 20, 2003
    Alexandria, VA
    I remember in 2005 Christian Gomez spat on a Chicago Fire defender, and later publicly apologized for it. I forget what his suspension was. News articles are behind a subscription fire wall
     
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  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I dont think MLS is unaware of the legal ramifications. It’s literally the opposite, I’ve been saying all along that we dont know if Garber has the legal authority to add to the punishment handed out by the Leagues Cup committee. What I’m saying is that YOU don’t know the legal ramifications. I don’t either, which is why I have no opinion yet on whether Garber has it right or wrong.

    Let’s say Suarez picks up a red car playing for Uruguay, and it’s so egregious FIFA bans him for Uruguay’s next match. What should Garber do about it? Yes, I see the difference, that he wouldn’t have been representing Inter Miami at the time, but the similarity is, why and or how should Garber be punishing Suarez after FIFA has already done so.

    Let’s say Pirani spits on a player next match. Is 6 games enough? If it isn’t, then how long should it be, and if it isn’t, then why should Garber add to the 6 games now?

    There are two parts I’m not in agreement here. One is basically a matter of facts…we don’t know if Garber has the right to add to the punishment.

    The other is subjective…how long is long enough for spitting on another player, and then how much should Suarez’ history add to that?

    In all honesty, aren’t most of yall bitching because you hate the Leagues Cup and can’t stand the idea that the punishment is just for a competition that you hate? You want him to miss MLS matches because you hate Leagues Cup.

    It’s not rational.
     
  24. Yowza

    Yowza Member+

    DC United
    United States
    Oct 23, 2019
    Arlington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the leagues cup and hate spitting on players and hypocrisy. If it’s deemed unacceptable behavior by Miami and they do nothing, seems pretty acceptable.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Google pointed me to this

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/just-curious-length-of-suspension-for-spitting.288090/

    6 matches seems pretty reasonable once you take into account Suarez’ history. If Garber wants to and is allowed to add a match or two, fine. Anything more than that means 9 matches, which is one short of what Brian Mullan got for getting mad at the ref and launching his myself at Steve Zakuani and ending his career. We can all agree that would be excessive, right?
     

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